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I would argue that for my android system, my widgets allow everything to be well integrated. Everything I need is right on the home screen, so no need to run different apps and move all over the place to do nearly everything I want it to. How smooth something is is definitely NOT integral to making a device NOT a toy.



I am discussing this on a much deeper study, than you are TRYING to argue against.

 

 

It was from app to app, simple features are not standardized across those apps. It is a piecemeal system..  open source OS and it shows. It might be phun & kewl for other people to maximize what they have... & show it off to others (sub culture), but I've noticed most of you cling to your phones because they ARE you. I use a phone because it is utilitarian.

 

Tonal quality, button quality, cheap jacks in phones are going down in favor of non-communication focused features. They are now more about fashion and marketing, than engineering and manufacturing. I'd easily buy a $800 phone, if they had features like the ones in Japan, where their "dumb-phones" have HDTV tuners & you can even just listen to television, etc..  nothing to stream, no bandwidth!!!  (free)

 

Google phones brought in the era of cheaply made phones! Now the market is saturated by them. Android phones are trying to catch up to iPhones with the likes of the new Galaxy, or HTC X, etc. But in the end the Nokia's & iPhone 5's will have better build quality to them. But that doesn't matter to "generation yesterday", they buy the next cheap fad when it shown to them on television, right?

 

Don't fret, I was a sucker too...

 

 

 

 

Note 4 whom asked:

I had maintained 2 private/personal phones & one business (3 total) until just recently. Was looking to go down to one phone, but will not be able to do so, until Verizon carries the new Win Phones. I have already used a friend's phone during an all day event and the respectable ease of use and quality feel in the OS. I had no hurdles, or obstacles.. no damn stuttering either!

 

 

 

Chrono..  you went off in the wrong direction.Have no idea who posed those questions to you, etc. ICS is nice, (or "nicer"), but it didn't add value to the OS, just made it easier & nicer to get ahold of the app store. Also the smoothness of the phone typically implies better software engineering. Have you even navigated a new WinPhone..?  (bet not!)



On a deeper level huh? From your response, I know that what I was saying hit exactly the spot. With what I'm using, I have a complete experience that is integrated into my homescreen. Obviously if you use apps from different developers, things will not be exactly the same, but the system is simple enough and similar enough between programs that I have no issues with it. Besides, you were just talking about menu's not being consistent from one program to the next, right? Ever try right clicking in windows, linux or mac? By your logic, all those must be really bad experiences!

Perhaps you can elaborate what the "simple features" you talk about are. I fail to see how maximizing efficiency is something you're against, considering you just think it's "phun & kewl". I use a phone for its utility as well. I just like to have the utility be what I want it to be. I don't see why you're so against giving someone the option of doing what they want with a tool they have. Rather, you think that everyone that likes that kind of stuff is a "sucker" for marketing.

So, you would pay $800 for a phone that can watch TV without streaming? I don't see what's wrong with streaming, seeing as how I get unlimited data. Have you actually used those Japanese phones before? They're definitely not that user friendly, and they don't really have that many features beyond what a typical phone can do. Also, most of them have interfaces that aren't smooth, so by your train of thought, it must mean it has bad software engineering.

I would once again argue that Android isn't marketed as a fashion statement, nor does it have that much marketing to begin with. If anything, doesn't Nokia have a huge fund from Microsoft for funding marketing? I've only seen one android ad on TV before, and it was run by Verizon mostly advertising their 4G network.

How did I go off in the wrong direction? I just argued against many of your points and it seems I did them well enough that you don't have much to say about it anymore. Perhaps it's because you don't have anything to respond with that you're saying I'm going in the wrong direction.
What are you talking about with posing questions to me? I disagreed with your points and I gave my point of view on them. It's not like you really mentioned anything I said, except for one small point, and then you went off to bash more stuff about android. So really, you're the one going off in the wrong direction.

Besides, you seem pretty stuck with the fact that you absolutely hate android, so no matter the evolution of android, you'll say nothing of value was added. You think ICS only made it easier to get to the app store? I'd say it was pretty easy beforehand: just run the app.

Also, you talk like cheaply made phones were not around in large quantities before Android. There were quite a few crappily made and designed dumb-phones before smartphones were that popular, and there was definitely a large share of badly made smartphones before android was around. Also please note that there are quite a few android phones with very good build quality. Not all of them are badly made. Just because you like Nokia's and Apple's designs, doesn't mean there aren't other good ones out there. And funny you would mention tonal quality and jacks and Nokia in close proximity. The Nokia Lumia 800 was said to have terrible audio quality. Bad bass, high distortion, crosstalk, etc. There android phones with high quality Wolfson DACs out there that would blow it out of the water.

Smoothness of a phone just means that they spent more time on getting the interface to be smooth. Doesn't mean software engineering is necessarily better. Software engineering covers more than just how smooth the graphics are.

For the record, I have used a windows phone before, and while it's nice and I do like it, I don't think it's necessarily superior to Android, and I prefer Android over it. I don't know why you think I've never used a windows phone before. Just because I'm not blindly in love with it like you are, doesn't mean I haven't used one before. Also, I don't understand why you find the need to try to degrade Android by saying its interface is made for monkeys or why you judge people that want to play games with their kids. Parents and their kids can share a moment using a simple phone game, can't they?
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Android can be just as fast or even faster than WP7 in terms of daily tasks if you set it up right, and that doesn't take a genius to do - place shortcuts and widgets, make use of the Intents API for media sharing to social networks, etc.
More functionality =/= complexity. It just means you have multiple choices on how you do tasks on your phone, and do much more than others. Should you want it to be simple, you can choose to do so.

You can do the same in WP7, by the way, without even unlocking the phone.
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The problem with that is if you give a Nissan GTR to a normal person and a Toyota Camry he/she will get most satisfied from the Camry.

And that's a problem how? It's better for their work, so it's better for them. It's entirely personal..What matters to you or I won't matter to person x who will have different needs to person y.
    
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This is all very interesting. I've had my eye on Windows phones for a little while now but don't have an upgrade until July. That should be plenty of time to check the Windows phones in stores and see if I really like it. I love android but I'm very intrigued by Windows. Apple makes great products of course, but I don't have the slightest desire for an iPhone. Can't wait to see what the future brings!
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On a deeper level huh? From your response, I know that what I was saying hit exactly the spot. ...snip...

I'm not disagreeing with you, but one thing to remember when responding to that people like that is that there are people who have very specific (and often strict) expectations for how devices function. In that case, they have every right for such expectations--especially when it comes to businesses. And I can see why a general-use phone won't always work in all situations. But what individuals like that fail to realize is that their experience that the phone doesn't do what the want it to do within their narrow and strict rules is that it doesn't mean that the phone or OS sucks. It means it's not the right phone for them, and then the irrational and illogical conclusion that NO ONE should use the phone. I'm sure I make this pitfall on occasion, but ones opinion is not fact, and it's usually the case that there's a poor distinction between "I expected the thing to do this and it doesn't and here's my rational explanation," vs. "this thing is useless for everybody and I see no point for anyone to use it." :/
    
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