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No, I don't think so.

Okay.

I'm returning to this issue because I'd like to clarify something: this erroneous readout is a problem of my motherboard then? So, this specific sensor on my motherboard is faulty? Would you suggest that perhaps I should ask ASRock Technical Support for the correct way to monitor this sensor? And what about the other value(s), like Current (IOUT), do they seem correct to you?

Finally, can there possibly be a setting in the BIOS that interferes with this?

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Okay.

I'm returning to this issue because I'd like to clarify something: this erroneous readout is a problem of my motherboard then? So, this specific sensor on my motherboard is faulty? Would you suggest that perhaps I should ask ASRock Technical Support for the correct way to monitor this sensor? And what about the other value(s), like Current (IOUT), do they seem correct to you?

Finally, can there possibly be a setting in the BIOS that interferes with this?

Thanks.

I think it's by design. So just ignore those values.
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I think it's by design. So just ignore those values.

Well... okay, yeah... I mean, if I will just ignore it, no big deal but... do you mean that this is specific to the Intel Z97 chipset? I do not recall right now IF on my ASUS Hero VII it is the same. When you say to ignore those values are you referring to the Current (IOUT), as well?! And why not just divide Power (POUT) by 2 or 1.9, for example, to get a more accurate readout?
    
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Hm, how about dividing by 3.1415926353 ? Or Planck's constant ?
It's a matter of the ISL VRM only. Because its datasheet doesn't precisely say how to convert POUT, I could adjust it only in case someone would perform tests that would prove the POUT is always twice as much as expected. This can be done at various stabilized power levels either by measuring power at wall and checking the difference, or by checking IOUT*VOUT and compare with POUT at various levels.
So if you can do such tests, I'll check the results and act depending on that.
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It's a matter of the ISL VRM only. Because its datasheet doesn't precisely say how to convert POUT, I could adjust it only in case someone would perform tests that would prove the POUT is always twice as much as expected. This can be done at various stabilized power levels either by measuring power at wall and checking the difference, or by checking IOUT*VOUT and compare with POUT at various levels.
So if you can do such tests, I'll check the results and act depending on that.

If you will guide me step by step, and if you think that I could do such tests with my computer and my my Kill A Watt Meter only, I could try it. On my meter on the wall, by the way, I have connected my entire system - and not just my tower (chassis) - as I already said. So, it shows the power consumption of my two monitors and my modem/router, as well.

So, if you will tell me EXACTLY what to do, I could do it.

For example, what do you mean with the bold text, above? Which programs should I run and for how long? Or, you mean something completely different?
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OK, the trick is to get a more-less stable reading of IOUT or POUT, which doesn't fluctuate much. I'd start with idle, then try various CPU loads, up-to full load. But I'm sorry, I don't know which tool to use to get such levels. I guess you know a few such tools, which can put different load on just one core or all, so try and see what happens. Perhaps you might also try fixed voltage to see if you can get different power levels.
For each of those steps (various load levels) write down the VCCIN (under mainboard), IOUT, VOUT, POUT and wall power values. I'll then try to make sense of it and see if there's a correlation - like POUT is always twice as much as expected and needs to be adjusted in HWiNFO.
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OK, the trick is to get a more-less stable reading of IOUT or POUT, which doesn't fluctuate much. I'd start with idle, then try various CPU loads, up-to full load. But I'm sorry, I don't know which tool to use to get such levels. I guess you know a few such tools, which can put different load on just one core or all, so try and see what happens. Perhaps you might also try fixed voltage to see if you can get different power levels.
For each of those steps (various load levels) write down the VCCIN (under mainboard), IOUT, VOUT, POUT and wall power values. I'll then try to make sense of it and see if there's a correlation - like POUT is always twice as much as expected and needs to be adjusted in HWiNFO.

Okay. Here is what I will do:

1) I will clear CMOS and Load Optimized Defaults.
2) I will restore HWiNFO64 to its original state, and only perhaps move some sections closer to each other simply because I won't be able to take screenshots otherwise.
3) I will then monitor for 10 minutes on idle (= not touching my computer at all).
4) Then I will run the following stress tests: x264 Stability Test v2.06, Prime95 latest version and CPU-Z bench test, for five (5) minutes, each. As soon as each test will reach 5 minutes, I will take a screenshot. Then I will reset HWiNFO64 and start the new stress test.

Then I will post the results.

Do you agree with this method?

And does it make sense to observe my meter on the wall, since my two monitors and the router (and my chassis, of course) are connected to it?
Note: I could, of course, power off both my monitors and the router during the stress tests!

Thank you!
Edited by LostParticle - 10/2/16 at 2:30am
    
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I think it's not needed to reset CMOS, nor reset HWiNFO. Just make sure you can get various power levels (loads). Perhaps if there would some tool that can load only one core, or load at let's say 50% (or other intermediate levels) stable. I know there's an Intel tool called TAT that can do this, but it's available under NDA only.
You also don't need to wait so long (10 mins), I guess if you get more-less stable readouts for ~30 seconds, it should be enough.
You can watch the wall readout as long as the only thing that changes is the CPU load - so for example you don't switch one of the monitors off during test, etc.
What I need to know is the difference in readouts during various CPU load conditions (and thus varios POUT values).
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I think it's not needed to reset CMOS, nor reset HWiNFO. Just make sure you can get various power levels (loads). Perhaps if there would some tool that can load only one core, or load at let's say 50% (or other intermediate levels) stable. I know there's an Intel tool called TAT that can do this, but it's available under NDA only.
You also don't need to wait so long (10 mins), I guess if you get more-less stable readouts for ~30 seconds, it should be enough.
You can watch the wall readout as long as the only thing that changes is the CPU load - so for example you don't switch one of the monitors off during test, etc.
What I need to know is the difference in readouts during various CPU load conditions (and thus varios POUT values).

Okay, I understand. I will reset CMOS and Load Optimized Defaults, anyway. I will run each test for two minutes then.

When it comes to loading one core, will it be OK if I will set the Affinity to 2 threads, in the Task Manager? Or, set just one core Active, in the BIOS?
When it comes to setting 50% steady load, on all four cores, I don't know how to do that. I think Real Temp had such a setting? Does this have to do with on-demand clock modulation?
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Okay, I've cleared CMOS, loaded optimized defaults, then my XMP ram profile. I've disabled, like always, Intel Virtualization Technology and Intel Smart Connect, on-board audio and the ASMedia sata controller.

Then I've hidden the unnecessary values and run my tests, each one for approx. two minutes. I've rebooted after the end of each test.

Here are the results:
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One core active, [was] set in the BIOS.

Finally, I've also reduced the Clock Modulation to 50% using Real Temp, and run the same blend test with Prime95:
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And here is the last one, with the clock modulation set at 25% :
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@Mumak, if you require something more, let me know.

Thank you.

PS: by the way, Martin, on the last screenshot, where the on-demand clock modulation is set at 25%, and my processor functions at 27% utilization = 1.04 GHz, as shown in my Task Manager, why is HWiNFO64 showing x42 core ratio and approx. 4.200 MHz clocks?
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