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Duality92 meant something else.
What I meant is shown in the screenshot:

No he meant what I meant. But the feature you propose is in the plan.
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Do you see all this empty space when HWiNFO is maximized? It would be really nice to place the rest of the values there, instead of having to scroll down to see them. I do not know if this is hard to implement, I'm just saying my opinion. smile.gif
So, CPU IA cores = Core max (temp) ? [the two readings show the same thing?]
And also, through CPU Package we can observe the Tcase ?

Core max is calculated by HWiNFO as the max of the values sampled from all cores by HWiNFO.
CPU IA cores is reported by the CPU.
Tcase is something else and cannot be measured using internal CPU sensors like those above.
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No he meant what I meant. But the feature you propose is in the plan.

Oh, thanks a lot! smile.gif
Actually, I meant that he meant something else than what I meant but it's my English again!
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Core max is calculated by HWiNFO as the max of the values sampled from all cores by HWiNFO.
CPU IA cores is reported by the CPU.
Tcase is something else and cannot be measured using internal CPU sensors like those above.

Now, Martin this is extremely important to me!! Which one of those two values should I trust when seeking for the Core MAX temp? CPU IA or Core max? In my HWiNFO64 I have two alerts (rules):

- Shutdown computer (or kill the specific stress test) if core max >=91
- Shutdown computer (or kill the specific stress test) if VCore >= 1.45V

On the first rule which value should I monitor/use? CPU IA or Core Max?
[Core Max can be higher than CPU IA cores]
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Now, Martin this is extremely important to me!! Which one of those two values should I trust when seeking for the Core MAX temp? CPU IA or Core max? In my HWiNFO64 I have two alerts (rules):

- Shutdown computer (or kill the specific stress test) if core max >=91
- Shutdown computer (or kill the specific stress test) if VCore >= 1.45V

On the first rule which value should I monitor/use? CPU IA or Core Max?
[Core Max can be higher than CPU IA cores]

I think they both should be quite same, since they read it from the same sensor (though I'm not sure about the IA Cores exact implementation which is not published by Intel). Small CPU temperature spikes might happen between HWiNFO refresh cycles (refresh period) and thus might not be captured.
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I think they both should be quite same, since they read it from the same sensor (though I'm not sure about the IA Cores exact implementation which is not published by Intel). Small CPU temperature spikes might happen between HWiNFO refresh cycles (refresh period) and thus might not be captured.

Well, yeah...who knows...
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The differences between them depend on exact sampling time of the temperature, because spikes often occur between them.
But if you notice the Average values, they are very close.
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The differences between them depend on exact sampling time of the temperature, because spikes often occur between them.
But if you notice the Average values, they are very close.

Yeah, you are right. Surprising though that AIDA64 has not peaked those spikes on its Maximum. Well...I guess I will keep monitoring "Core Max" (in my Alerts).
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We are living in 2014 and the engineers still have not managed to give ONE accurate value about (critical) temperatures and ONE accurate value about the (critical) voltage, so that the user -and the programmer, as well- will be able to monitor and control his system with peace in his mind.
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Hey Mumak-

My z97 board has 2 extra sata ports from an Asmedia controller. There isn't a bios option to turn off the hot swap function on these Asmedia ports on this mob, which my z87 had.

Whenever I launch hwinfo, the hdds connected to the Asmedia ports disconnect and I have to reboot to get them back.

Hope there's some box I can un/check to avoid this?
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Hey Mumak-

My z97 board has 2 extra sata ports from an Asmedia controller. There isn't a bios option to turn off the hot swap function on these Asmedia ports on this mob, which my z87 had.

Whenever I launch hwinfo, the hdds connected to the Asmedia ports disconnect and I have to reboot to get them back.

Hope there's some box I can un/check to avoid this?

Try to "Disable Drive Scan" in HWiNFO - Settings. Let me know in case it didn't help.
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@Mumak

Hello there, Martin!

I just received some feedback from ASRock support, regarding a few questions of mine. Perhaps it might interest you.

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Dear customer !!
Thanks for your reply.

My question : Is there a DRAM voltage sensor on this board, able to show DRAM voltage in real time?
The DRAM voltage sensor is from superIO, it just detect how many voltage you have adjusted, the default DRAM voltage is 1.50V.


My question : The CPU cache Voltage, is it shown in real-time or it shows the fixed value set in the BIOS? Where is [the] CPU cache voltage in HWiNFO64? Is it VIN12?
In our superIO pin define, the CPU cache voltage is VIN2 and 106 superIO pin.
But we cannot guarantee the CPU cache voltage in HWiNFO64 is VIN2, you may need to contact HWiNFO64 vendor for their define.


My question : [Regarding] VCore Volt. in A-Tuning suite : [it] is not equal to Vcore (VIN6) in HWiNFO64… It seems more like VID.
In A-Tuning, the Vcore Voltage is real Vcore Voltage, since we have designed the re-flash rate to slower than other utility (It's average of ten times Vcore Voltage of every re-flash).
So, it may looks like VID. Please feel free to use it.


Thanks a lot !!
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Thanks. So..
"DRAM voltage": I don't understand what they mean smile.gif
"CPU cache voltage": that means, VIN12 in HWiNFO is indeed "CPU cache voltage". I'll adjust the label for this.
Vcore in A-Tuning: now that's a mess - they make an average of 10 Vcore values.. I'm wondering what's the use of such value...
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