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Cooling technique tested gentle typhoons, SP120's and Noiseblocker eLoops on radiators. The A.T.R figure is the airflow through a 9FPI radiator.








Edited by Jakusonfire - 2/16/13 at 12:26am
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post #32 of 49
Some time have gone by at this point, bump, bump..

Does anyone have any new views on 140mm fans for radiators?

I´m gonna ditch my PA120.3 (25mm spacing) and go 420 but so hard to find fans, if not finding any I might just go dirt cheap medium speed Yate Loons just to get up and running then take time and do proper research?

Obviously I want the ability to go real quiet when browsing and stuff (very noise sensitive) but also have the ability to go nuts when I need of that so wide control range important and need to be 3 pin connectors cause they will be pwm controlled through the already existing controller (6 channel 3 pin) in my Phanteks case.

Have tried quite a few fans on 120mm side and stuck on the Noctuas, just find them a perfect balance and quality can not be in doubt imo and controllable speed range is good whether pwm or dc. But they are expensive, especially if wanting to go the industrial ppc way to have the ability of reaching 2k or even 3k + they are black and therefor will not be visible under the mesh in the top of Phanteks Luxe case.

Hard choices..., or just western world problems? biggrin.gif
post #33 of 49
I believe phantek has some well thought of 140 fans for radiators. I'm using them in push pull in my primo, but they just happened to be around.
post #34 of 49
Thermalbench.com reviewed some 140mm fans on radiators recently. Link below shows that the new EK Vardars beat some of the existing 140mm fans on noise vs linear flow.

http://thermalbench.com/2015/08/12/ek-vardar-f3-140er-140mm-fan/3/

Unfortunately, the EK Vardar 140mm fans have been recalled, so are currently unavailable. But the Noctua Industrial fans (2000 and 3000 rpm) perform pretty similarly to the Vardars, shown in the below link.

http://thermalbench.com/2015/08/21/noctua-nf-a14-ippc-3000-pwm-140mm-fan/3/
post #35 of 49
Thank you guys I really do appreciate the speedy replies, awesome "bumping" really do seam to work! thumb.gif

Will most def have a look at the Phanteks line up as well as reading through the links, now just gotta decide between the NexXxoS XT45 vs the XSPC EX420 with the Magicool 420 Slim being a dark horse I suppose? Magicool 420 Slim is quite a bit cheaper where I live and that one + the EX420 both will work with a push/pull config in my Enthoo Luxe running the pull fans in the extra little top compartment that (among a few other small things) differentiate it from the Enthoo Pro.

I suppose there is also the Alphacool NexXxoS XT30 to choose from if in stock from where I order, would prefer to get it all from the same store but could work around it if I need to, same things goes for fans I suppose but in regards to fans it´s easier cause I can get myself for ex x3 Yate Loons just to get it up and running while from that store so? Either way the slim radiators I know should fit in a push/pull config inside my case with my motherboard (Asus X99A) cause I have measured it several times but if going up to a NexXxoS XT45 420 rad push/pull could be tight if not even 1 or 2mm over the limit, at very least in regards to the push fan that is located where my motherboards VRM heatsink is? I think heatsink will be ok but the 8 pin ATX connector is a problem, maybe just maybe I could work around that too if modifying that 8 pin ATX connector by cutting off the clip/locking mechanism on the connector itself? Would be extremely tight either way + a 140mm radiator will also be wider even further enhancing my problems with that specific connector, I don´t know either just skip that single push fan all together, modify and still no guarantees or just simply go thin radiator and be on the safe side?

Some say always go with the thickest radiator you can fit, others that it does not make that much of a difference me I´m certainly no expert in the field not to mention I suck at math but suspect a good thin radiator would probably serve me just fine but regarding fin density, design and so on of those radiators I am going to have to find the right fans so thanks again for info and links guys.

EDIT:

Ohh almost forgot, the static pressure on those Noctua iPPC fans if true is just crazy! wubsmiley.gif
Edited by IamSSD - 9/13/15 at 7:51am
post #36 of 49
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Originally Posted by IamSSD View Post

Thank you guys I really do appreciate the speedy replies, awesome "bumping" really do seam to work! thumb.gif

Will most def have a look at the Phanteks line up as well as reading through the links, now just gotta decide between the NexXxoS XT45 vs the XSPC EX420 with the Magicool 420 Slim being a dark horse I suppose? Magicool 420 Slim is quite a bit cheaper where I live and that one + the EX420 both will work with a push/pull config in my Enthoo Luxe running the pull fans in the extra little top compartment that (among a few other small things) differentiate it from the Enthoo Pro.

I suppose there is also the Alphacool NexXxoS XT30 to choose from if in stock from where I order, would prefer to get it all from the same store but could work around it if I need to, same things goes for fans I suppose but in regards to fans it´s easier cause I can get myself for ex x3 Yate Loons just to get it up and running while from that store so? Either way the slim radiators I know should fit in a push/pull config inside my case with my motherboard (Asus X99A) cause I have measured it several times but if going up to a NexXxoS XT45 420 rad push/pull could be tight if not even 1 or 2mm over the limit, at very least in regards to the push fan that is located where my motherboards VRM heatsink is? I think heatsink will be ok but the 8 pin ATX connector is a problem, maybe just maybe I could work around that too if modifying that 8 pin ATX connector by cutting off the clip/locking mechanism on the connector itself? Would be extremely tight either way + a 140mm radiator will also be wider even further enhancing my problems with that specific connector, I don´t know either just skip that single push fan all together, modify and still no guarantees or just simply go thin radiator and be on the safe side?

Some say always go with the thickest radiator you can fit, others that it does not make that much of a difference me I´m certainly no expert in the field not to mention I suck at math but suspect a good thin radiator would probably serve me just fine but regarding fin density, design and so on of those radiators I am going to have to find the right fans so thanks again for info and links guys.

EDIT:

Ohh almost forgot, the static pressure on those Noctua iPPC fans if true is just crazy! wubsmiley.gif


You cannot always trust box specs for fans I am afraid. Manufacturers tend to lie about airflow, static pressure, and noise. Noctua and the industrial fan makers are generally pretty honest about them though, but even then the PQ curves (see below) may favor another fan.

Then there's the matter of PQ curves:
https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/why-static-pressure-max-flow-specs-are-poor-measures-of-fan-performance/

So as you can see, box specs are not always reliable.



Give this a watch too:




It is comparing 120mm fans, but to be honest, yet another serious option is the Gentle Typhoon on a 120mm to 140mm adapter. It will keep up and may actually outperform many 140mm fans (which tend to have lower static pressure - remember what I said about box specs vs PQ curve). The reason why is the 120mm fans tend to have the same motors, but a lighter impeller, allowing for better pressure.
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Still can't beat the gentle typhoons, quiet and push a lot of air through a rad.
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Again thanks for info guys appreciate the willingness to help out a lot, yes Elf no doubt some manufacturers twist and turn the numbers but yeah me too would trust Noctua and industrial manufacturers a bit more but then again nothing beat proper, well done testing I suppose? Problem I see there is some conflicting numbers out there even though certain fans such as GT´s always perform very well, so many parameters to take into consideration and I suppose when testing fans for radiators one should look for fan roundups on that specific radiator I am going to run + also take into consideration noise levels at different rpm´s, how they perform on low, medium and high end of spectrum + obviously cost.

I have been eyeballing the GT´s + Bgears adapters or similar solution for some time now really do want to try them out although I run into a problem there and that is the extra height and already struggling with space especially if going the way of 45mm thick rad in push/pull. Another thing is where I´m located it seams hard to find GT´s but even online with adapters and shipping it would add up but maybe they are worth it, I did watch Dazlab review, interesting stuff. Tried to Google for example: nexxxos xt45 420 fan shootout but have yet to find a fan review for that radiator?
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Still can't beat the gentle typhoons, quiet and push a lot of air through a rad.

Yeah seam like I have no choice but to go for GT´s after all, went greedy order the UT60 instead of the XT45 nd now I am being punished for my greed by running only pull fans in top compartment of the Phanteks Luxe case. Thought I could run 3x pull fans @ 140mm + 2x push fans @ 140mm from my measurements before pulling the trigger, I knew it was going to be tight and I mean real tight to fit it all but forgot that the 420 UT60 cannot be moved inside case to clear motherboard vrm heatsink it is fixed in one position only, the 360 radiator I could slide a few cm either direction and I can not with the 420 so??

But still good news, now I can go with at least 2x push fans @ 120mm, I know for sure I can fit a single push 140mm (located at the end of rad in 5.25" bay), but why when I can go with 2x Gentle Typhoon + adapters. I have even had plans on finding a piece of sheet metal to cover the hole radiator then cut the holes myself for 120mm fans, that way I could possibly fit 3x GT´s in push config if I do not center the fans but rather make the holes all the way towards the left side of the case to clear all heat sinks, 8 pin ATX/EPS etc?

Image not the best just to illustrate what I mean + def going to clean things up and go sleeved cable etc later on.



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post #40 of 49
I made the same mistake with my haf X and the ek xe rad, wanted it in push pull bit would only fit push or pull. So I got a 900d lol
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