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1. I run a lot of vms. My quad core becomes a slug with 2-3open at the same time. I always have at least one (my windows one) going 24/7
2. I torrent maybe 2-3movies a day, and while that isnt intensive converting and recompressing for storage is biggrin.gif
3. I am a huge mega tasker, Its not uncommon for me to have 2vms running a game compressing a movie and have 50+ tab open in firefox too. (also considering upgradeing to 16gb ram)
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Threaded stuff: Software that can utilize a large number of 'threads,' meaning CPU cores or simulated cores using hyperthreading (not exactly how hyperthreading works, but close enough). 'Threaded' or 'Heavily threaded' today generally means stuff that can use more than 4 cores.

Edit: Here's my own noob question: do any AMD processors do hyperthreading, or is that an Intel-only thing?

So for instance, many games can use no more than 2 CPU cores: like SC2. Some games can use 4 cores effectively, but virtually none (only Shogun 2, to my knowledge) can use more than 4. That's why games are not generally considered a heavily threaded task.

Graphics rendering, streaming, heavy auto-CAD programs, some specific scientific software, these can all use more than 4 cores - the more cores the better. (Edit: or all the uses above, lol. VMs = virtual machines, putting a second computer in your computer so you can compute while you compute.) That's heavily threaded, and it affects what processor you might buy. For instance, a Phenom II x4 will perform about as well as the newer FX Bulldozers in games - because they have 4 cores and as high of per-core performance. The high end Bulldozers, however, have eight cores, and significantly out perform 4-core processors in heavily multi-threaded applications like I listed above.

Generally, if you do threaded stuff you already know it. If you don't know if you need many cores in your processor, you probably don't.
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Threaded stuff: Software that can utilize a large number of 'threads,' meaning CPU cores or simulated cores using hyperthreading (not exactly how hyperthreading works, but close enough). 'Threaded' or 'Heavily threaded' today generally means stuff that can use more than 4 cores.
Edit: Here's my own noob question: do any AMD processors do hyperthreading, or is that an Intel-only thing?
So for instance, many games can use no more than 2 CPU cores: like SC2. Some games can use 4 cores effectively, but virtually none (only Shogun 2, to my knowledge) can use more than 4. That's why games are not generally considered a heavily threaded task.
Graphics rendering, streaming, heavy auto-CAD programs, some specific scientific software, these can all use more than 4 cores - the more cores the better. (Edit: or all the uses above, lol. VMs = virtual machines, putting a second computer in your computer so you can compute while you compute.) That's heavily threaded, and it affects what processor you might buy. For instance, a Phenom II x4 will perform about as well as the newer FX Bulldozers in games - because they have 4 cores and as high of per-core performance. The high end Bulldozers, however, have eight cores, and significantly out perform 4-core processors in heavily multi-threaded applications like I listed above.
Generally, if you do threaded stuff you already know it. If you don't know if you need many cores in your processor, you probably don't.

Hyperthreading is an Intel only thing that simulates extra "logical" cores. These "logical" cores do very little to nothing for Gaming in general. Some people think HT will be utilized more in the future but I doubt it. The advantage of hyperthreading leans toward people who use photoshop, autoCAD, video editing, etc. This is a big reason why the i5 2500K is such a popular processor in the gaming community.. Save over $100 and have identical performance as an i7, sometimes better as HT can cause stuttering, etc.
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when AMD came out with Hyper transporting with thier 64 dual core it made AMD the faster chip Intel came back with hyperthreading that uses a single core to prossse 2 threads on a single core and its been that way for a few years then intel up the game by using thier verrison of hypertransporting and hyperthreading with the I7 as a AMD man what upsets me about BD was it was supose to have both and they dident do it
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Yes the lack of ht in amd makes me mad too. If the 81xx series were 8cores with 16 thread they could put some serios presser on sb-e in the workstation market.
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1. I run a lot of vms. My quad core becomes a slug with 2-3open at the same time. I always have at least one (my windows one) going 24/7
2. I torrent maybe 2-3movies a day, and while that isnt intensive converting and recompressing for storage is biggrin.gif
3. I am a huge mega tasker, Its not uncommon for me to have 2vms running a game compressing a movie and have 50+ tab open in firefox too. (also considering upgradeing to 16gb ram)

What does VMS stand for?

What on earth would you need 50 tabs open for?
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There, in fact, is your answer. You are not CPU-limited, or GPU-limited, but MONITOR-limited. Your monitor can only display so much shiny - and your CPU and GPU can provide that much shiny in most games. So... what are the big monitor upgrade options?
1)Buy a 23" or 24" 120hz monitor - this has the advantage of being able to display up to 120 frames per second, rather than a normal monitor's 60 frames per second. Many of these can do 3D gaming (at 60 frames per second) - make sure it's compatible with your video card.
2)Get a big-ass monitor. A 27" 2560x1440 resolution monitor or a 30" 2560x1600 monitor, generally IPS rather than ordinary LCD. The 30" ones are really expensive. (This is the one I'd go for, probably roll the dice on a cheapass 27" 2560x1440 import.)
3)Get three monitors! 2 more monitors the same size as the one you have, and it's multi-monitor gaming time, baby!
Is it worth the $$? Up to you really, but a decent quad-core (which you have) and a strong video card (which you have) are pretty much going to fulfill everything you want to do in terms of pure gaming on a single screen. So stop thinking about CPU and GPU upgrade and think monitor upgrade.

I just dropped like $250 on a 27" Asus 1080p monitor, so buying another monitor isn't something I Am willing to do.

I would love to see a Dell 30" at the higher resolutions because I think 1080p in my asus is gorgeous.

The next upgrade will be gpu then CPU and down the road a second monitor

Thanks for your feedback tho!
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GPU upgrade path for you will depend on what games it is you want to play and what settings you want. Depending on your resolution, your best upgrade might be crossfire as you already have a high end card (if you wanted to do 1440p or higher). Or, if you're playing at around 1080p, you might not need to upgrade for a couple years (maybe the nvidia 700 series or the AMD 8000 series) depending on the games. It's hard to call an upgrade path when you're running with a fairly high end card. You'll want to upgrade when you can no longer play on your desired settings and get desired frame rates. Whether this means 60+ FPS on ultra or 40 FPS on medium, it's up to you.

How is your 6870 running??

I went with the 6950 and now I am wishing I got a 6970. I am hoping for price drop on 7950 soon!
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In that case, it honestly doesn't seem like any upgrade to your computer is going to wow you. I'd suggest saving your $$. Yes, I know this is practically a bannable offense on OCN smile.gif.
    
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In that case, it honestly doesn't seem like any upgrade to your computer is going to wow you. I'd suggest saving your $$. Yes, I know this is practically a bannable offense on OCN smile.gif.

I got a 6k tax return burning a hole in my pocket, but as an accountant I am also too practical. Haha biggrin.gif
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