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Yeah I've been saying sound cards are a waste of money for years now. All you really need is high end headphones or speakers.

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But yet you own the Beats Pro?

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The Xonar D1/DX really shine if you are using headphones, IMO.


I really like the 3d positioning on mine. It also put shame to my phone.

 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah I've been saying sound cards are a waste of money for years now. All you really need is high end headphones or speakers.

You're such a troll.

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Before I continue on, I've own these cards, Titanium HD, Xonar STX, DS. If your headphones do need an amp, then you will not hear any difference between STX and DS other than STX being much louder. HD was tad bit brighter with my Sennheiser HD598s. I also have the ALC 898 on my X58 board and was unable to hear any difference between the Xonar DS ( w/ LME49720NA OpAMP) with my HD555s. But EQ change was much more prominent and noticeable on the DS.

Onboard audio has come a long way and it improved significantly.
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I will give a nice review when I get my Z77 with the onboard audio to. I'll do ALC898 vs Recon3D USB vs ODAC biggrin.gif
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A 0 is a 0 and a 1 is a 1. It doesn't matter if it's on a motherboard, a sound card, or through a USB port. Motherboard audio sounding bad can be chalked up to the analog circuitry they use, not really it being a noisy environment.

Why you're wrong. Essentially, lots of noise on a motherboards grounding plane, etc can alter the sound and low quality cables, etc can cause that eye to close, which makes a blip, sure, a 1 is a 1 and a 0 is a 0 but you can still screw up a 1 getting through the wire as a 1.

Plus, if the quality of the PCB makes no difference; why is it quite clearly audible when you have a high wattage device in a nearby PCIe slot to a soundcard sometimes? Or even with onboard, you get my point?
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A 0 is a 0 and a 1 is a 1. It doesn't matter if it's on a motherboard, a sound card, or through a USB port. Motherboard audio sounding bad can be chalked up to the analog circuitry they use, not really it being a noisy environment.

You know a lot more than many so-called "audiophiles."

The ALC898 DAC is already overkill. I'd be shocked if someone could hear the difference between the Realtek DAC and a discrete card's DAC.

I only have the ALC889 but I can definitely tell the difference on a cheapish TDK headset and my Edifier 2.1 setup, it's pretty obvious to multiple people tbh, the difference is way smaller but some people can hear it and obviously a soundcard offers much greater range of choices in how exactly you want it to sound. (As logicPwn said)
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Why you're wrong. Essentially, lots of noise on a motherboards grounding plane, etc can alter the sound and low quality cables, etc can cause that eye to close, which makes a blip, sure, a 1 is a 1 and a 0 is a 0 but you can still screw up a 1 getting through the wire as a 1.
Strawman. We know that even speaker wire reduces signal quality as a function of length, the question is how much and whether this is audible.
As for the "presence or absence of active electronics in the transmission path" excerpt, what that's telling us is that the front panel audio outputs are going to suffer from a degraded signal. We also know this.
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I only have the ALC889 but I can definitely tell the difference on a cheapish TDK headset and my Edifier 2.1 setup, it's pretty obvious to multiple people tbh, the difference is way smaller but some people can hear it (1) and obviously a soundcard offers much greater range of choices in how exactly you want it to sound (2). (As logicPwn said)
1. Golden ear argument. No, on an output-level-matched blind scenario you can not be able to reliably tell 2 modern DACs apart. People have tried for the past several decades and have failed to establish evidence.
2. On PCs, this is just digital equalization. On "audiophile" DACs (which are actually signal processors), this is deliberate distortion.

Better to just get a suitable amplifier and feed it from the line-out, or get a soundcard with a sufficient amplification stage for your needs, than to invest needlessly in a soundcard for a different DAC.
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Except it's not the DAC, that was the biggest part of getting a sound-card but the cleaner ground plane, etc are also reasons and make a difference, the onboard now has relatively equal or close DACs, sure, but that doesn't mean that the rest is as good or that the power delivery is as clean, for example.
Not everyone hates equalization, I know a few people are of the mindset that because everyone has different ears, what a sound engineer thinks is great on an album might be slightly different to what you think is great, hence the equalization.
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Except it's not the DAC, that was the biggest part of getting a sound-card but the cleaner ground plane, etc are also reasons and make a difference, the onboard now has relatively equal or close DACs, sure, but that doesn't mean that the rest is as good or that the power delivery is as clean, for example.
Not everyone hates equalization, I know a few people are of the mindset that because everyone has different ears, what a sound engineer thinks is great on an album might be slightly different to what you think is great, hence the equalization.
Yes -- it depends on the implementation, but is that difference really audible?

Let's say you match the output levels of an onboard chipset and a discrete soundcard, ceteris paribus and perform a DBT. Would you really be able to reliably pick the two apart, and on what does it depend on (e.g. other components, onboard implementation, et alia)?

You don't have to have a discrete card to have access to equalization. Onboard chipsets have a fair number of first- and third-party options available to them.
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I'd say it is, I could tell a difference between my Xonar DX and my old Creative X-Fi in a way I'm 90% sure was down to the power circuitry, I know a lot of people modded a certain power delivery capacitor on X-Fis to improve the sound too, I'd say the DAC is 50% of the difference, power circuitry 25% and everything else about 25% total.
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