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I'd say it is, I could tell a difference between my Xonar DX and my old Creative X-Fi in a way I'm 90% sure was down to the power circuitry, I know a lot of people modded a certain power delivery capacitor on X-Fis to improve the sound too, I'd say the DAC is 50% of the difference, power circuitry 25% and everything else about 25% total.

The comparison wouldn't really be valid unless you matched the output levels within 0.1dB, though. Most people don't match levels properly when comparing these things.

DACs don't make a difference. There's actually quite a bit of literature proving that modern DACs, for the most part, sound the same (or rather, disproving that modern DACs sound different).
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LOL this community really dislikes Recon3D.

Maybe because some people don't like scams.
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A 0 is a 0 and a 1 is a 1. Fat chance there are going to be errors with today's technology. I don't agree about all DACs sounding the same. There are golden ears who claim a cable will alter the sound of a digital signal, and then on the complete opposite end of a spectrum there are the science zealots who think we know every secret of the universe and theorems = fact and psychoacoustics can fool everyone. I like neither.
 
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A 0 is a 0 and a 1 is a 1, however if a cable is bad then that 1 may become a 0 in the middle of the cable; it's way harder to disrupt the signal for digital than analog but it can still be done, does it make a probable and repeatable difference in the real world? Probably only for a handful of people in the world, and only if they're using ultra-high end hardware anyway.
    
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You're not going to hear one bit being off. You don't need an expensive cable to transport data, just a good one. It's been proven over and over and over that cables don't do a damn thing.
 
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Definitely not, it can make a difference but you'd be far better off spending the cash elsewhere; I'm mainly talking about extremely low quality cables vs semi-decent (ie. Those $1 ones off eBay) ones, not rip-off monster cables.
    
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Personally i had a X-FI Titanium. Now have ALC898. No difference with Cheap headphones and Z-2300.
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post #48 of 115
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I'd say it is, I could tell a difference between my Xonar DX and my old Creative X-Fi in a way I'm 90% sure was down to the power circuitry, I know a lot of people modded a certain power delivery capacitor on X-Fis to improve the sound too, I'd say the DAC is 50% of the difference, power circuitry 25% and everything else about 25% total.

The comparison wouldn't really be valid unless you matched the output levels within 0.1dB, though. Most people don't match levels properly when comparing these things.

DACs do not make a difference. There's actually quite a bit of literature proving that modern DACs sound the same (or rather, disproving that modern DACs sound different).

Is that peachtree purchase hurting?
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Definitely not, it can make a difference but you'd be far better off spending the cash elsewhere; I'm mainly talking about extremely low quality cables vs semi-decent (ie. Those $1 ones off eBay) ones, not rip-off monster cables.

That is why no one is going to tell you "all cables sound the same" or "all DACs sound the same." There is a small minority of each that are either faulty or designed incompetently (sometimes intentionally so -- look at non-oversampling DACs as a prime example). By-and-large, the vast majority of modern DACs and cables do not sound different.

If a difference is determinable with confidence, that difference has an (or multiple) electronic explanation that can be defined by measurements. Distortion, noise, frequency response. However, our threshold of hearing is far more generous than many would care to admit.
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Is that peachtree purchase hurting?

Back when I was a college sophomore in 2009 I was duped into believing the power of suggestion. It's not really so bad when you figure out years after you've completed your journey.
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A NOS DAC just doesn't resample the signal before going to the reconstruction filter. It doesn't output some jagged waveform. I assume there are some people who do design such circuits, though.
 
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