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Well the point of the article seems to be more like "AMD do not want to drop price" although at the end of day "want" cant stand against market forces.

The smart thing to do would be dropping the price NOW while 680 is out of stock and sell your currently available 7970's instead of waiting when 680 is properly in stock, then dropping the price to match and oh look, its still outperforming the 7970 in some very popular games at the resolutions most people use.
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The 7970 is NOT inferior to the 680. Idk what some of you have been smoking but I want some of it. Seriously, have you not been reading the reviews as of late? When you OC the 7970, it beats the 680. The 680 is a HORRIBLE overclocker. I've got 3 7970s and a 680 myself. My 680 is a 'great' overclocker and it only OCs by 185mhz. My 7970s ALL will OC 300mhz, and 2 of them will OC 400mhz .When both are OC'd to their max, the only thing the 680 wins in is 3dmark11 and Crysis 2. In BF3, Metro 2033, Alien vs Predator, etc... the 7970 rolls the 680 when both are OC'd.

Those stock vs stock benches are warping some of your minds... this is OVERCLOCK.net, not STOCK.net. We OVERCLOCK here... so it's about the hardware that has the most potential. The 7970 is that type of hardware. Nvidia released the 680 neutered. It has a wonky turbo system and many people can't even OC it 100mhz without getting crashes and BSODs. The card simply is at its limit already. There isn't much room to push it further. The 7970 has TONS of headroom. Combined with the extra 1GB of VRAM, which is WORTH the $50 alone... it's well worth its price.

I don't get how some of you act as if the extra 1GB of VRAM isn't worth $50 by itself? What do you think Nvidia will charge for the 4GB version of the 680? $550 or $600...
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The 680 is a HORRIBLE overclocker.

Reference board.

Well there's your problem.
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AMD chose that price point so they have to deal with it. If AMD would have maintained performance at value prices, 7970 still would be selling very well for $400-450 from launch until now. I probably would have owned one. But now they risk dropping their whole lineup $50-100 and alienating early adopters. Some of them will never buy AMD again if the dropped the 7970 up to $100 only three months later.
nV on the other hand released three consecutive top end cards for $499 MSRP. GTX 480/580/680. Shockingly consistent from nV.
My GTX 680 1300MHz GPU / 7000MHz Mem OC says otherwise.
The stock voltage is way above any clock a stock GTX 680 can achieve right now. 1.175v.

And my 7970 @ 1300mhz would walk all over your 680 at 1300mhz and I'd be happy to prove it... IF you can manage to keep your 680 stable...

I've got one myself... I know how hard they are to OC. Mine will do 1285mhz, but even at that clock, it performs about on par with my 7970 @ 1215mhz. When I crank up my 7970 to 1300mhz... it's untouchable except in a few Nvidia titles and 3dmark 11.
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Reference board.
Well there's your problem.

My 7970s are reference as well as the 680.. I don't see your point?

The neutered vcore functionality on the 680 cannot be excused. Those of you thinking you have 'stable' overclocks with your 680... run Unigine Heaven 3.0 and you'll see what I mean. Over in the 680 OC thread, noone can seem to get their cards stable in Unigine anywhere near respectable amounts. I couldn't even keep mine stable at +150 in Unigine, while it would still finish 3dmark 11 at +185.
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My 7970s are reference as well as the 680.. I don't see your point?
The neutered vcore functionality on the 680 cannot be excused. Those of you thinking you have 'stable' overclocks with your 680... run Unigine Heaven 3.0 and you'll see what I mean. Over in the 680 OC thread, noone can seem to get their cards stable in Unigine anywhere near respectable amounts. I couldn't even keep mine stable at +150 in Unigine, while it would still finish 3dmark 11 at +185.

It's normally a given with Nvidia, always wait for non-reference.
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Mr. metalhead, Actually the bulk of tests in reviews show the gtx 680 as faster oc-to-oc and stock-to-stock than the radeon 7970. Additionally, most people don't like their cards even oc'd to sound like vacuum cleaners, so 1125mhz is about average without pumping up the voltage & heat + fan noise to ridiculous levels. Seeing as how the GTX 680 is hitting 1215mhz core for me fully heaven/3dmark11/bf3/other games stable for 24/7 usage on auto fan... it's damned quick, and absolutely faster than an oc'd radeon 7970 for 24/7 non-bench usage. Heck, I've tested a bench-only oc'd 7970 and found it to be slower in bf3 (for the 5 minutes it would run before crashing every time) and 3dmark11 (which it could run fine) at 1240mhz, than my gtx 680 at 1215mhz. By the way, regarding VRAM... even at 5760x1200 the 2gb isn't limiting the gtx 680 per hardocp's review, so the extra 1gb is useless deadweight ;) : http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/03/28/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_sli_video_card_review
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Mr. metalhead, Actually the bulk of tests in reviews show the gtx 680 as faster oc-to-oc and stock-to-stock than the radeon 7970. Additionally, most people don't like their cards even oc'd to sound like vacuum cleaners, so 1125mhz is about average without pumping up the voltage & heat + fan noise to ridiculous levels. Seeing as how the GTX 680 is hitting 1215mhz core for me fully heaven/3dmark11/bf3/other games stable for 24/7 usage on auto fan... it's damned quick, and absolutely faster than an oc'd radeon 7970 for 24/7 non-bench usage. Heck, I've tested a bench-only oc'd 7970 and found it to be slower in bf3 (for the 5 minutes it would run before crashing every time) and 3dmark11 (which it could run fine) at 1240mhz, than my gtx 680 at 1215mhz. By the way, regarding VRAM... even at 5760x1200 the 2gb isn't limiting the gtx 680 per hardocp's review, so the extra 1gb is useless deadweight wink.gif : http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/03/28/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_sli_video_card_review

Metalhead vs GT round 1

Fight.
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Metalhead vs GT round 1
Fight.

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Mr. metalhead, Actually the bulk of tests in reviews show the gtx 680 as faster oc-to-oc and stock-to-stock than the radeon 7970. Additionally, most people don't like their cards even oc'd to sound like vacuum cleaners, so 1125mhz is about average without pumping up the voltage & heat + fan noise to ridiculous levels. Seeing as how the GTX 680 is hitting 1215mhz core for me fully heaven/3dmark11/bf3/other games stable for 24/7 usage on auto fan... it's damned quick, and absolutely faster than an oc'd radeon 7970 for 24/7 non-bench usage. Heck, I've tested a bench-only oc'd 7970 and found it to be slower in bf3 (for the 5 minutes it would run before crashing every time) and 3dmark11 (which it could run fine) at 1240mhz, than my gtx 680 at 1215mhz. By the way, regarding VRAM... even at 5760x1200 the 2gb isn't limiting the gtx 680 per hardocp's review, so the extra 1gb is useless deadweight wink.gif : http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/03/28/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_sli_video_card_review

Oh really?
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Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX - The memory capacity may seem odd at first, but keep in mind that these results are taken with the game running at 5760x1200 with ultra settings and HBAO enabled. In other words, the highest possible settings capable, which are not actually the highest playable settings on 7970 CFX as you will read below. We wanted to take these memory results at the same settings between all configurations so these would be comparable. Even with just FXAA enabled we are over the VRAM limit, 3541 MB was being used, when the cards only have 3GB per GPU. Increasing to 2X and 4X AA took us to near 5 GB of memory. This game can certainly use what's there, that's for sure. At these memory capacities, the game was not playable at the highest in-game settings on 7970 CFX.

Clearly if you have a Tri-Fire setup and want to have the game all the way cranked up.. you can hit the 3GB VRAM limit with 7970's. Perhaps it'd take quad-fire to bring enough power for that. It's more of "these cards aren't fast enough to need much more than 2GB" than it is "there's no way you can use over 2GB at 5760x1200". But I'd like to see 4-way SLI vs. quadfire of these cards with better drivers.. I'd put money on the 7970s destroying the 680s.
 
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