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How many news posts have to be made on this topic. Yes on nVidia's roadmap this is their mid range part.

Assuming they could produce the GK110 and release it now, why would they? There is exactly zero incentive. Their product meets the competitions offerings as is. Why waste resources manufacturing a card. When they could just keep it on the back burner and not have to push to develop a newer gen.
     
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I can't wait till they launch a replacement and I can grab 680's for nothing. Mid range or not, one of these (mid range) cards give my 480 SLi setup a run for its money and doing so using much less power, cooler, and more quietly.

Id love to replace these cards with 2 680's when everyone abandons them biggrin.gif
Pretty impressive for a Mid Range part. When they are priced as mid range I might bite smile.gif
     
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post #33 of 106
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And why is it like that?
Is it because us dollars are the currency for all international oil transactions = free money for usa?
It doesn't make sense to me why i should pay almost 40% more when I live in the same country where these things are produced. Logistics of shipping these things from China to the USA means you should be paying more but alas. Oh well, when the bubble bursts it'll be Americans paying the most.
It is kind of ripping us off, not by just one store but all the retailers here including nvidea. The Nvidea recommended price for selling the gtx 680 in China is still 30% more than that in the USA. It's just wrong. The wages here are way lower too.
Saying 'that's just the way of the world' isn't really an explanation of justification. War is also 'just the way of the world' but that doesn't make it right.

Its not just China that pays more its the whole world. Prices in the US vs europe, asia, africa are way lower I really can't explain why to much but if someone with an economics background enters this conversation they would surely be able to explain. Last semester when i was in Shanghai, China studying abroad i was surprised at how expensive cellphones and such items like that were. Another thing that surprised me is how crappy the electronics are there to compared to the same priced items in the US (laptops are a really good example).
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The worst part is if you want one, amazon has them but their price is jacked up to 649 dollars. Now that just crazy.

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From a performance per $ stand point, the 680 is much better than the 580. Why would they price it lower when it already gives the consumer so much more value for the money?
 
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From a performance per $ stand point, the 680 is much better than the 580. Why would they price it lower when it already gives the consumer so much more value for the money?

Because the 580 is EOL. Or if it isn't it will be in the next month or two. You are supposed to get better price/perf than you did a year back, that's how the industry usually works.

By your logic we should be paying thousands for the current cards so that they don't offer better perf/dollar than stuff like GeForce 2 Ultra or something...
 
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Any economists out there?

Obviously what we do isn't a hobby 'for the poor' but asking for 2 months salary for a gfx card that is mid range is insulting. Not sure what the average salary is in the USA but it's probably more than 400$ a month.

Hope the gtx 670 is priced reasonably, but I will just lol when the 780 comes out and is priced at 700 USD = 1100 USD here. The logic by nvidea people and people in this forum will be 'it performs as good as the HD8xxx which is 750USD so why should Nvidea sell it for less?'

Having just two major players in any industry is never a good thing. If it's just one factory making both companies chips and supply is low then there will never be a price war. It's called price fixing and i thought it was illegal or that there were watchdogs for that sort of thing.
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Any economists out there?
Obviously what we do isn't a hobby 'for the poor' but asking for 2 months salary for a gfx card that is mid range is insulting. Not sure what the average salary is in the USA but it's probably more than 400$ a month.
Hope the gtx 670 is priced reasonably, but I will just lol when the 780 comes out and is priced at 700 USD = 1100 USD here. The logic by nvidea people and people in this forum will be 'it performs as good as the HD8xxx which is 750USD so why should Nvidea sell it for less?'
Having just two major players in any industry is never a good thing. If it's just one factory making both companies chips and supply is low then there will never be a price war. It's called price fixing and i thought it was illegal or that there were watchdogs for that sort of thing.

I agree, if there was more companies in the game. The prices would be better so would the selection.
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I believe it. The 7970 was suppose to be a replacement to the 6970 yet it costs twice as much. The 7850/7870 are essentially re-brands of the 69XX cards on smaller die sold for the same price. Which is why for a budget card I still recommend people buy a 6850 for 130$.
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If anyone here is an engineer, they'll understand fully well why this happened.

For nVidia, the goal is not to design a video-card that has the strongest GPU on the planet and to market and sell it.

There are two goals and they are quite simple:
The first goal is to create the strongest GPU that they can, that has reasonable power consumption and enthalpy. It can't require 700 watts or put out enough heat to melt ice caps. But there is a goal to create a strong GPU. The problem we face as consumers is that the second goal takes precedence over the first.

The second goal is to design a reference graphics card that competes in respective price demographics with their competitor's options. This graphics card has to be efficient and low-cost enough to ensure a profit for their third party manufacturers and themselves. What GPU this card uses and how much it costs depends solely on the variables of competition.

AMD went with a "low cost, decent performance" design outlook and that paid off for them in the 4800 series and 5800 series, but once we got to the 6800 series, nVidia's big dog chips started to become more power efficient and cost efficient and hence situations like the GTX 460 happened and now the GTX 680.

If anything, we should be happy nVidia is pricing the 680 at $500 because at this point, if they wanted to, they could probably price it at $349.99 and effectively destroy AMD's graphics card department, much akin to 3dfx in its heyday.

AMD needs to get on the ball or ATI is going to drown again. At this point, nVidia has had an answer for every move ATI has made in the last 2 years.
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