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OCN Watercooled staff and members.

So I love my rig, but I'd like to to go with a Water-setup for my 2600K for now.

In the Intel Thread

Murlocke, told me to look into the XSPC Raystorm WC setups.





Now, I am a total nub with watercooling, what's needed and what's not.
My case can handle it. But I'd like to know what to look for as a total nub at something like this. A personal friend suggest the Antec Kuhler 920. The cost is what not concerns me. It's the reliability, of the setup which does.

Sounds simple. But looking at the 2 XSPC. What would be the things I would need to hook it up properly (judging by the list of options)

Thanks OCN, always a great help
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Originally Posted by Shovah View Post

OCN Watercooled staff and members.
So I love my rig, but I'd like to to go with a Water-setup for my 2600K for now.
In the Intel Thread
Murlocke, told me to look into the XSPC Raystorm WC setups.


Now, I am a total nub with watercooling, what's needed and what's not.
My case can handle it. But I'd like to know what to look for as a total nub at something like this. A personal friend suggest the Antec Kuhler 920. The cost is what not concerns me. It's the reliability, of the setup which does.
Sounds simple. But looking at the 2 XSPC. What would be the things I would need to hook it up properly (judging by the list of options)
Thanks OCN, always a great help

Are you just wanting to cool your CPU?
Custom loops are pretty much always going to be better than the closed loop CPU coolers (Ala Antec 920, Corsair H50). And more fun to work with smile.gif

The first kit--the RX360 Extreme kit--looks (at a glance) to be a really good setup.
One of the major concerns with the prepackaged watercooling kits is usually the pump--this one comes with a D5, so you're golden there. D5's are among the more popular pumps available right now.
The RX360 is also one of the top performing 120mm*3 radiators, so Good there. And you don't have to look far to find the chorus of praise about the XSPC Raystorm CPU block. Going with a 360 rad over a 240 will also give you greater flexibility down the line if you decide to add a GPU to the loop (You definitely will, this stuff is addictive.)

All in all, I'd say that's an excellent setup, the only things you might want to change (based on personal preference) would be a different tubing (Masterkleer and Primochill are great brands--make sure they match the 7/16" ID 5/8" OD spec) and the fans. Gentle Typhoon AP-15's can't be beat for radiator fans--a cheaper option are Yate Loon Mediums.
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The XSPC Rasa and Raystorm kits are both excellent starting points for water cooling. The Raystorm kit is definitely the nicer of the two, but has a price to match, and either of them will cool great. I'd not recommend the all-in-one setups, like the Kuhler 920, as they really don't provide any better cooling than high-end air coolers.

As for reliability, in general water cooling is just fine there. You can easily set up your system to shut down in the event you have a pump failure, but it's not something that happens commonly, most people will never experience it. They're quite easy to set up, just take your time and you shouldn't have any problems. Something like this comes with everything you'd need to get started other than some coolant, and the best choice there is to make a trip down to the local grocery store or WalMart and pick up a gallon of distilled water for around $1. You could always go with a larger radiator to give you room to add a GPU block later, but a 360mm rad will require some case modifications to work in the HAF 932.
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You could always go with a larger radiator to give you room to add a GPU block later, but a 360mm rad will require some case modifications to work in the HAF 932.

This thread has some pictures of other members who have installed an RX360 in the roof of the 932. It may take a bit of modification, and you'll lose your top 2-3 drive bays, but it's definitely doable.

And +1 to everything bakageta said smile.gif
     
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Lets answer this all in one Post XD. Thank you guys so much. Definitely a huge help.

@itskerby: I am looking at just CPU cooling for now. But will probably expand to GPU or maybe memory cooling down the road here. But as a starting block it would be CPU cooling (that's the most common I suppose)
-Fans: They're dirt cheap so picking up 3 of the $15 Typhoons will be no big deal. Especially if it goes quieter than stock.
-Tubing: I'm sure it's universal but sizing is key here (always is xD)

Modifing my case wont be to bad. Losing top 1-3 Drive bays is fine. I don'y plan on having more than 1 CD drive on my computer so its all good. I can just lower it.

Kerby, thanks a bunch for the input!

@bakageta: Yes I was looking at the RX240 or the RX360. I guess If I want to open up to GPU cooling later on the 360 would be the better buy here.
-Coolant: What's the difference between some distilled water and the EK Coolant. Other than making the lines go blood red/or green or w/e any advantage to one over the other. Other than cost here.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14161/ex-liq-191/EK_EKoolant_Premium_Liquid_Cooling_Premix_Coolant_-_1L_-_Blood_Red.html

Bakageta, great input!
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None of the branded coolants perform better than distilled water, they just come pre-mixed with dye, biocide, and/or misc chemicals (like antifreeze, which isn't needed at all). Depending on what kind of dye, it can fall out of solution and clog up your blocks, and it definitely has the potential to stain things, it's generally recommended to use colored tubing rather than dyed coolant.

For tubing, as long as the size is correct any brand will work, but there are definitely difference in brands. Some brands bend easier than others, some brands have problems with plasticiser leeching out of the tubing, etc. Personally, I use Tygon Norprene, it's plasticiser free and very easy to work with, but it's not flashy so it's not all that popular here. If you're after clear or colored tubing, I'm sure someone else here can recommend some brands, I'm reluctant to suggest something I haven't used. When it comes to fans, the included XSPC fans are actually pretty good, and I don't know that I'd move to Gentle Typhoons for the price. They're slightly slower than GTs, but the noise level is very similar, and you'd be paying $30-90 (depending on rad size and push or push/pull) for a small performance boost. If anything, that's money that would be better spent moving to a 360mm kit over 240mm, as you'd gain more performance.
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I agree with bakageta 100%. Distilled water is cheap, it performs, and you'll never have to worry about your blocks being stained/clogged. Much less mess in case of leaks, and no need to do a super extensive flush when you change up the loop. Go for colored tubing if you want a personalized look, much less hassle. Distilled water, a drop of biocide, and a silver coil (included in your kit) seem to be the general consensus for best practice on OCN.

I've had no experience with the XSPC fans, but if bakageta says they're good, I'm inclined to agree. AP-15s are pretty expensive, and difficult to find in stock at times, but they are leading the pack on 120mm radiator fans. That said, real world results will only gain you a few degrees at best (if even that much). The money is much better spent on adding more radiator area later, if the temperatures aren't to your liking.

For tubing, there are some concerns recently with plasticizer seeping out of primochill tubing, I'm currently using Primochill white tubing in my loop and have observed no ill effects thus far. Probably best for someone else to answer, but when in doubt, avoid Primochill. I'll let someone else recommend here as well.
     
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I believe I read somewhere that the only Primochill colors with plasticiser issues are the black and clear, and only recent batches. Prior to that, it was a pretty often recommended brand here, though like I said it's not something I've used personally so I can't really tell you anything for certain.
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None of the branded coolants perform better than distilled water, they just come pre-mixed with dye, biocide, and/or misc chemicals (like antifreeze, which isn't needed at all). Depending on what kind of dye, it can fall out of solution and clog up your blocks, and it definitely has the potential to stain things, it's generally recommended to use colored tubing rather than dyed coolant.
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Ok so skip the branded coolants and pick up coloured lines with distilled water and add some biocide. Sounds simple enough.

Fans: Push/Pull system. I assume that would be fans on either side of the reservoir allowing for more cooling and heat exchange correct? I assume that would help with efficiency.

Rad size. I'll just got with the 360. Gives options if I ever want to open up the system.


Currently in my cart (it's a breakdown of the kit) this is saying the D5 pump is not included. That's another $189.99 but I suppose the cost is worth it!
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•Select Your CPU Block Style: XSPC Raystorm - Intel
•Radiator Style: XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Rev 2XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Rev 2
•Reservoir Style: XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay ReservoirXSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir
•Pump Style: Alphacool VPP655 Variable PumpAlphacool VPP655 Variable Pump
•Fitting Style: 6 x XSPC - 7/16" x 5/8" Compression6 x XSPC - 7/16" x 5/8" Compression
•Select Tubing Color: 8'x XSPC Tubing - UV Green8'x XSPC Tubing - UV Green
•Select Fan Speed: 3 x XSPC Radiator Fan-2000 RPM3 x XSPC Radiator Fan-2000 RPM
•Select Distilled H20 Additives.: FREE IandH KillCoils - Antimicrobial SilverFREE IandH KillCoils - Antimicrobial Silver


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Ok so skip the branded coolants and pick up coloured lines with distilled water and add some biocide. Sounds simple enough.
Fans: Push/Pull system. I assume that would be fans on either side of the reservoir allowing for more cooling and heat exchange correct? I assume that would help with efficiency.
Rad size. I'll just got with the 360. Gives options if I ever want to open up the system.
Currently in my cart (it's a breakdown of the kit) this is saying the D5 pump is not included. That's another $189.99 but I suppose the cost is worth it!
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•Select Your CPU Block Style: XSPC Raystorm - Intel
•Radiator Style: XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Rev 2XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Rev 2
•Reservoir Style: XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay ReservoirXSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir
•Pump Style: Alphacool VPP655 Variable PumpAlphacool VPP655 Variable Pump
•Fitting Style: 6 x XSPC - 7/16" x 5/8" Compression6 x XSPC - 7/16" x 5/8" Compression
•Select Tubing Color: 8'x XSPC Tubing - UV Green8'x XSPC Tubing - UV Green
•Select Fan Speed: 3 x XSPC Radiator Fan-2000 RPM3 x XSPC Radiator Fan-2000 RPM
•Select Distilled H20 Additives.: FREE IandH KillCoils - Antimicrobial SilverFREE IandH KillCoils - Antimicrobial Silver

the vpp655 is the D5 pump tongue.gif The Laing D5 is re-branded by (Alphacool/Koolance/Swiftech)
 
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