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Watch the Uncharted 3 sand tech. Make sure you have some tissues nearby. Or watch a youtube video of the Uncharted 3 cruise ship level. It's insane. Killzone 3 is probabally slightly better looking overall though.

The entire cruise ship level of Uncharted 3 was running a full ocean simulator. Every time you play through the stages from the boat yard up to the cruise ship is entirely different water movement. It's insane.
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I'll tell you what I would agree that Killzone 2's art style was better. Fact of the matter is Killzone is a dark dreary game and they kind of got away from that with 3. Still though I think the tech is better in 3. I can see how you'd like the look of 2 more though.

Yeah, they said they wanted to try and give Killzone a different color scheme kind of how Gears did. The whole jungle scene was a bit unnecessary, but pretty none the less.
The MLAA approach in KZ3 is insanely good though. Very little compensation with the blurriness too, it was great.
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I've seen them running and even looking at your picture full size the flatness of texture and IQ is quite bad....

Ok lol
Even though Naughty Dog has been touted as having the most realistic textures to date in regards to depth.

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?79141-Uncharted-2-Among-Thieves-art-work
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?79141&p=660353&viewfull=1#post660353
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If that guy thinks Uncharted or Killzone looks flat or boring it's obvious he's just fanboying it up. I don't mean to offend but no one could possibly play those games and think that. The texture work in the Uncharted series is the best I've seen in any game period. This is coming from someone who loves PC gaming enough to spend 550 dollar on a video card. I can recognize excellence when I see it. Naughty Gods indeed.

The MLAA in God of War 3 was also excellent. I have to say as well that MLAA 2.0 with AMD's new drivers is very impressive and reminds me a lot of both games. I still prefer traditional msaa/adaptive aa however.
    
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Despite all this back and forth about console vs pc, I still dont see how improved visuals will change gaming forever, especially if the visuals will only get better and better as years go on??? I never thought there was anything wrong with games these days other then most of them being short and over priced how about we fix that first?
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I think people are misguided by the 6670 rumor. For one, I have a hard time believing it will be even close to a 6670 in either machine, performance or design. It may be loosely based on a 6670, as in the same type of SP's(VLIW4/5, etc) but that is where it will probably end. Most likely someone has caught wind that they were using a modified 6xxx series card and it has trickled down through the channels to being a low end one that isn't even modified. Even if it's truly based on only a 6670, it will be heavily modified to the point of not even resembling what the retail version was. It could simply be using the 6670's SP type(VLIW5) but many more of them, say doubled to 960, and clocked much higher. Could be the same number of SP's but using the newer VLIW4 or even GCN and clocked much higher and have more ROP's and memory bandwidth. Any number of things can be different, even if it indeed based on the 6670, that would make it many times faster than the retail version.

My guess is it will not even be a 6670 or modified 6670. Maybe more along the lines of a lower to mid range 7xxx series to take advantage of GCN's power savings. Possibly even an APU that has a low end discrete to crossfire with. A 6670 + the APU's integrated wouldn't be that bad, if it is even possible anyway. Point is, we have no idea what is going to be going in these. Only a single rumor of some form of modified 6670, which is probably not even true or at best not the complete picture(modfied!)
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I think people are misguided by the 6670 rumor. For one, I have a hard time believing it will be even close to a 6670 in either machine, performance or design. It may be loosely based on a 6670, as in the same type of SP's(VLIW4/5, etc) but that is where it will probably end. Most likely someone has caught wind that they were using a modified 6xxx series card and it has trickled down through the channels to being a low end one that isn't even modified. Even if it's truly based on only a 6670, it will be heavily modified to the point of not even resembling what the retail version was. It could simply be using the 6670's SP type(VLIW5) but many more of them, say doubled to 960, and clocked much higher. Could be the same number of SP's but using the newer VLIW4 or even GCN and clocked much higher and have more ROP's and memory bandwidth. Any number of things can be different, even if it indeed based on the 6670, that would make it many times faster than the retail version.

My guess is it will not even be a 6670 or modified 6670. Maybe more along the lines of a lower to mid range 7xxx series to take advantage of GCN's power savings. Possibly even an APU that has a low end discrete to crossfire with. A 6670 + the APU's integrated wouldn't be that bad, if it is even possible anyway. Point is, we have no idea what is going to be going in these. Only a single rumor of some form of modified 6670, which is probably not even true or at best not the complete picture(modfied!)

Sounds to me like someone refuses to believe the truth and has high hopes.

A 6670 still offers a good ~6x the performance improvment over what they currently have.

A bigger GPU means more power consumption, more heat and higher costs, all of which are a console designers worst enemy.



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It has never been confirmed that it even will use a 6xxx let alone a 6670. I understand you feel great about bashing consoles, but you have no more grounds to support the 6670 than someone claiming it will have a 6970. Last I read it was going to use a Southern Island GPU. And if the Xbox will use (rumours as well) 2 GPUs taking turn that will most likely be from the 7xxx series as well there is no reason to believe the PS3 will be using a single retail 6670.

All we can do is argue, nothing has been confirmed. All is open.

Thanks about the info about the HD6670 being 6 times faster compared to the current gen PS3 GPU. I was wondering that.
 
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Yes considering how old the hardware is some games are quite impressive. Not as great as pc but at the same time you're getting some great gameplay too!
We've all been talking about how the ps3 has an old 7800 gpu well it can certainly play games like battlefield 3 , mw 3 crysis 2 even the old crysis port. most of those upscaled to 1080p sure its upscaled but tell me can you run those games on your pc if you only had a 7800? no because most modern games require atleast the 8800gt and to top it off the usually doesn't play games any better then medium settings. So for what hardware the ps3 does have it runs games great!

no because the devs spend all their time optimizing their games to run on the older consolde hardware in case something like the 7800GT. I am sure if they put the same work on the PC we could run these games you mentioned above perfectly and maybe even better than a console using the same 7800 or equal hardware.if you have basically the same hardware and setup overall then you should expect at least similar performance, unfortunately they only work on optimizing the game to run on the older hardware on the console platform instead of the PC. Of course since there is more money to be had in consoles but that doesn't make it righ, more liket to put two jars of the same branded and flavored jelly and then claim one of magically more tasty. thats biased.

this is ocn, the PC is the elie, always has and always will be, unfortunately the consoles will always get in our way of world domination gunner.gif
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no because the devs spend all their time optimizing their games to run on the older consolde hardware in case something like the 7800GT. I am sure if they put the same work on the PC we could run these games you mentioned above perfectly and maybe even better than a console using the same 7800 or equal hardware.if you have basically the same hardware and setup overall then you should expect at least similar performance, unfortunately they only work on optimizing the game to run on the older hardware on the console platform instead of the PC. Of course since there is more money to be had in consoles but that doesn't make it righ, more liket to put two jars of the same branded and flavored jelly and then claim one of magically more tasty. thats biased.
this is ocn, the PC is the elie, always has and always will be, unfortunately the consoles will always get in our way of world domination gunner.gif

I do in fact agree with what you said, yes consoles are optimized because that's where the money is, also agree that its pretty unfair but at the end of the day PCs will always look better(for now) and consoles will always get more support (for now)
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i think pc is definetely more for the serious gamer. and gaming is not all they do on their computers. xbox is more for the casual one who likes to sit back and play well casually. and the whole 6670 rumors i have no idea about but lets say they did put something like a 7950 in there even.. so? in Two or three years down the line after this new gen consoles release we are going to go back to square one where pcs can run the games bigger and better and is more optimized to technology then the consoles. the reason that i dont even like to compare the two is because in a pc you can change what you have in it CONSTANTLY and a lot of us pc gamers / rig builders etc love the feeling of getting that rig done and have all that power in our hands. arguements between the two are stupid just let the xbox kiddies argue with the playstation ones and pc gamers will be happy with our awesome rigs and they'll be happy sitting on there couch screaming at little 10 yr olds on Cod wink.gifthumb.gif
    
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