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Most people who I know who are primarily console gamers (the only PC game they play if you can call it that is Farmville) seem to think that plugging a console into a TV using HDMI will magically make the game native 1080p.

I do agree with what you are saying though, I'm playing GT5 right now and that is a console exclusive game and I know the difference between native 1080p and upscaled 1080p
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I run both of those with ZERO AA or AF. Fact is, they have FAR better texture, better LOD, better mesh detail, FAR better shaders (oh god UC3's motion blur is awful). I know this for a fact. Remove the "fancy TV" aspect, and you'll see that console games look like crap. I have a PS3, I hooked it up to my PC monitor (it does 1920x1200) while waiting for my TV to be delivered. I borrowed a copy of Uncharted 3 from a friend, play it, and was disgusted. The aliasing was insane, there was zero AF, the textures were generally blurry, the models were blocky, the motion blur was just... terrible... and so on. And oh god.. the split-screen. It just ax-murders any sense of visual quality.
Would look good as a PC game of 2006 or so, and fairly decent for 2007.
This is metro 2033 with NO AA or AF, but with maxed out DX11 settings:
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This is uncharted:
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Also, finding ACTUAL gameplay shots of UC3 is basically impossible. Its almost always a rendered still from a cut scene or something. Never any HUD.

Yeah sorry but your wrong. Uncharted 3 blows Metro so far out of the water it's not even close.

You see I know this because I play Metro with 4xAA and everything maxxed out on a 1600p moniter. Not even close.

Uncharted is simply one of the best looking and most fun to play games to come out in years. Uncharted 2 in fact was probabally the best game released in the last five years.

Btw your post is funny because your picture of Metro looks WAY worse then the picture of Uncharted you posted. All you did was further illustrate that Uncharted 3 sports bar none the best character models in gaming.
    
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Yeah sorry but your wrong. Uncharted 3 blows Metro so far out of the water it's not even close.
You see I know this because I play Metro with 4xAA and everything maxxed out on a 1600p moniter. Not even close.
Uncharted is simply one of the best looking and most fun to play games to come out in years. Uncharted 2 in fact was probabally the best game released in the last five years.
Btw your post is funny because your picture of Metro looks WAY worse then the picture of Uncharted you posted. All you did was further illustrate that Uncharted 3 sports bar none the best character models in gaming.

No for both

If you really did play Metro with 4xAA and everything maxed out on a 1600p monitor then you would know UC3 looks terrible compared to it. Also "best game" is an opinionated thing, not factual. I think in the last 5 years GT5 is the best game released in the last five years and before you say "But UC2 sold more copies than GT5, it's a fact that it's better."

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EDIT: Look, even a demo (GT5: Prologue) sold more copies than UC2. Does that mean that demo is better than UC2?
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I could have sworn we saw this exact same headline 7 years ago, except it said "XBOX 360" and PS3."

But really, of course the push of a new console generation will change things.
    
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Yeah sorry but your wrong. Uncharted 3 blows Metro so far out of the water it's not even close.
You see I know this because I play Metro with 4xAA and everything maxxed out on a 1600p moniter. Not even close.
Uncharted is simply one of the best looking and most fun to play games to come out in years. Uncharted 2 in fact was probabally the best game released in the last five years.
Btw your post is funny because your picture of Metro looks WAY worse then the picture of Uncharted you posted. All you did was further illustrate that Uncharted 3 sports bar none the best character models in gaming.

So what your saying is that a game rendered at 720p with 2xMLAA that has a vRam cap of 256mb, resulting in terribly low resolution textures look better than a native, 1600p, 60fps game with 4xAA and literally GIGS of textures and model data per scene? Seems legit.

And I dont know what your talking about. That Metro shot is probably my favorite. It has an insane amount of lighting, shadow effects, particles and so on.
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So what your saying is that a game rendered at 720p with 2xMLAA that has a vRam cap of 256mb, resulting in terribly low resolution textures look better than a native, 1600p, 60fps game with 4xAA and literally GIGS of textures and model data per scene? Seems legit.
And I dont know what your talking about. That Metro shot is probably my favorite. It has an insane amount of lighting, shadow effects, particles and so on.

That is a fancy looking door for sure, but that's just about the nicest looking thing that you will find in metro, it's a cherry picked image. I think that, to a certain degree, you are mistaking grungy texture work for detail. Metro is a very detailed game, don't get me wrong, but honestly it really doesn't look any better than UC3 during game play.

I honestly agree that Uncharted 3 looks better than Metro. Metro has a lot of fancy post processing effects that uncharted may not have, but Uncharted's models look better and move better, It's environments are more lush and expansive. Texture resolution may not be as high, but Uncharted's texture work is so good that it's not actually noticeably any worse. Uncharted is astonishingly good, it's biggest limitation is the resolution that it's stuck at.

EDIT: BTW though the PS3 has only 256MB of dedicated vRAM the 256MB af XDR memory is also accessible to the GPU with a properly coded engine, and you know that Naughty Dog is using that function.
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No for both
If you really did play Metro with 4xAA and everything maxed out on a 1600p monitor then you would know UC3 looks terrible compared to it. Also "best game" is an opinionated thing, not factual. I think in the last 5 years GT5 is the best game released in the last five years and before you say "But UC2 sold more copies than GT5, it's a fact that it's better."
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EDIT: Look, even a demo (GT5: Prologue) sold more copies than UC2. Does that mean that demo is better than UC2?

I could care less how many copies any game sold. Not sure why you would even bring this up.

And as far as you doubting whether I played the game or not (lol) that's fine. Guess you've ran out of real things to argue about.

Some parts of Metro look outstanding. The problem is that it's rough around the edges and a lot of it looks like garbage. I could care less how large the textures are or what tech it's using. Case in point, the witcher 2 looks better then both games. Also Uncharted is way more fun to play.

And by the way making fun of uncharted's textures is probabally not the route you want to go. This image is from the *first* one. Sorry about jpg.

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It has never been confirmed that it even will use a 6xxx let alone a 6670. I understand you feel great about bashing consoles, but you have no more grounds to support the 6670 than someone claiming it will have a 6970. Last I read it was going to use a Southern Island GPU. And if the Xbox will use (rumours as well) 2 GPUs taking turn that will most likely be from the 7xxx series as well there is no reason to believe the PS3 will be using a single retail 6670.
All we can do is argue, nothing has been confirmed. All is open.
Thanks about the info about the HD6670 being 6 times faster compared to the current gen PS3 GPU. I was wondering that.

It's called a console....say it slowly.....C.O.N.S.O.L.E...

Not a big case with a massive power supply

They only have 250w to play with in such a tiny box, so a high end card is not going to happen

A Llano is 100w and a 6670 is 64 and when you factor in other parts it could jump to around the 200w mark.

A 6970 or any other high end GPU would push it over the limits of power draw and max heat a tiny console case can get rid of.

This is not a rumour, it's called common sense.

You do understand you are making a fool of yourself acting like that right?

Again because you haven't read my or anyone elses reply in this thread;
- it has not been confirmed that it will use a hd6xxx card, most rumours are pointing at a hd7xxx series which have a far lower power usage;
-no one has said it will use a hd6970;
- you do understand that the cards in a console aren't the same as in a pc right? That they only use the actual gpu and even that is adjusted? So the power usage isn't as big as the pc equivalent;
- due to a game being optimised like crazy for that piece of hardware a console doesn't need a hd6970 to get quality graphics.

That my friend is called common sense.
 
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i think pc is definetely more for the serious gamer. and gaming is not all they do on their computers. xbox is more for the casual one who likes to sit back and play well casually.


Sorry, but if you think there are no serious gamers on a console then you need a big reality check. There is alot of competitive play on consoles, from amateur to professional. There's alot of people who take their gaming seriously across the board.

 

It doesn't take a PC to take a game seriously, just the desire to be a winner, not a loser. Mental approach to gaming is not represented by the amount of money you put into your platform of choice. However if you or anyone else truly believes that then keep telling yourselves that to make yourselves feel better.

 

And, while you can do a hell of alot on a PC, gaming is not all you can do on a console either, something I think will be pushed even more come the next generation. The only real advantage a PC offers a gamer is player made mods and periphiral versatility. Most other things that a PC allows you to do just isn't relevant to someone who's just interested in gaming.

 

 

 

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You do understand you are making a fool of yourself acting like that right?
Again because you haven't read my or anyone elses reply in this thread;
- it has not been confirmed that it will use a hd6xxx card, most rumours are pointing at a hd7xxx series which have a far lower power usage;
-no one has said it will use a hd6970;
- you do understand that the cards in a console aren't the same as in a pc right? That they only use the actual gpu and even that is adjusted? So the power usage isn't as big as the pc equivalent;
- due to a game being optimised like crazy for that piece of hardware a console doesn't need a hd6970 to get quality graphics.
That my friend is called common sense.

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- Multiple sources are claiming a 6670.

- If you actually use google you'll see that the 7670 is nothing but a re-badged 6670 so power consumption will be the same.

- PS3's RSX graphics card was IDENTICAL to the PC version, it just had a smaller memory bus to help get yields up.

- And as I've said any one that think low level coding doubles or even triples a cards power is an idiot, an 8800GT is ~2-2.5x faster then PS3's RSX and can run any console port at consoles settings with higher frame rates, higher resolution and with higher IQ despite the huge optimisations that go into PS3 games.

And many people are forgetting that most games now do all the lighting, Z-culling, AA and loads of other tasks on the Cell processor giving the false impression that RSX is actually a decent chip, in reality it's a very poor GPU.

PS4 will not have Cell so it will be fully dependant on the GPU.
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