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No one said that consoles will or won't be on 22nm when they launch and I really doubt the 360 successor will have a 16 core CPU. Even a 16 thread CPU is pushing it a bit, it will most likely have a 8 thread (quad core) CPU. For the fourth (?) time "better" is an opinionated thing, not factual.

It's not just power consumption , Sony and MS are there to make profit. If it costs too much they will either have to sell it at a loss (like they did with current gen) or charge $1000+ for the consoles.

This is the reason for my 7970 purchase and rather large steam collection. Keep going.

See I just live in a place called reality. I'd play every game on PC if I could but gaming is just not structured like that anymore. All the big former PC devs like Epic, Bioware and Id are console focused now. It's just reality. Hell, Epic doesn't even release PC games anymore. Console exclusives are better because there are barely any PC exclusives left. If you really like Hard Reset or Amneisa better then games like Gears of War or Uncharted more power to you. For 90% of gamers that's not the case.

We're talking about console specs and you keep bringing up the ridiculous 6670 rumor. Since you seem to intent on buying into it it's logical you'd buy into this one as well. You keep downplaying what next-gen consoles are going to have in them. But if you look at every console release ever it's pretty likely they will be powerful machines. You bring up cost not understanding that MS/Sony aren't buying GPU's from sapphire. These GPUs are built into the motherboard and there are no redundancies like there are on a PC. It's much cheaper. You can't go on Newegg and try to approximate how much these consoles would cost because the cost structure and the way the components are put together is totally different. A console 7850 level chip would draw less power then a desktop part even if it were on 28nm. On 22nm it will easily fit into the 250 watt power envelope.

16 core CPU with 6670 confirmed right?
    
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Yes I am a console fanboy. This is the reason for my 7970 purchase and rather large steam collection. Keep going.
See I just live in a place called reality. I'd play every game on PC if I could but gaming is just not structured like that anymore. All the big former PC devs like Epic, Bioware and Id are console focused now. It's just reality. Hell, Epic doesn't even release PC games anymore. Console exclusives are better because there are barely any PC exclusives left. If you really like Hard Reset or Amneisa better then games like Gears of War or Uncharted more power to you. For 90% of gamers that's not the case.
We're talking about console specs and you keep bringing up the ridiculous 6670 rumor. Since you seem to intent on buying into it it's logical you'd buy into this one as well. You keep downplaying what next-gen consoles are going to have in them. But if you look at every console release ever it's pretty likely they will be powerful machines. You bring up cost not understanding that MS/Sony aren't buying GPU's from sapphire. These GPUs are built into the motherboard and there are no redundancies like there are on a PC. It's much cheaper. You can't go on Newegg and try to approximate how much these consoles would cost because the cost structure and the way the components are put together is totally different. A console 7850 level chip would draw less power then a desktop part even if it were on 28nm. On 22nm it will easily fit into the 250 watt power envelope.
16 core CPU with 6670 confirmed right?

You can be a console fanboy and still own a high end PC. I have a PS1, PS2, PS3, Original XBOX, I was going to get a 360 but it didn't seem worth it, I had a Nintendo DS, GBA. So does this not make me a PC fanboy because I have a ton of consoles? lol Just because you own a high-end PC doesn't mean you can't be a console fanboy and vice versa. I am not a PC or console fanboy, both have the same amount of pros and cons.

The reason why PC exclusive devs are moving into consoles is the money, it takes common sense to work out that the more people there are with consoles the more likely you are to make more money from more sales.

lol wut? I have never brought up the 6670 rumor, other people are. I am not buying into it either, I don't believe rumors for one simple reason. Remember iPhone 5 rumors last year?

Yes I am bringing cost into it, I'm not an idiot, I know they won't be GPUs from ASUS, MSI or any other brand like that. But it takes common sense to work out the 6670 is going to be cheaper than a 7770 or whatever you were saying next gen consoles are going to have. Also because the GPUs are built into the motherboard Sony and MS have to spend money to get them integrated, AMD/nVidia/whatever aren't going to do it for free.

Look at this current gen, they had reasonably high-end PC hardware when they were first released. IIRC it cost Sony $900 to make one PS3 and they were selling them for $400-$600.

Yes a 7850 would consume less power than the desktop equivalent. That is common sense.
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16 core CPU with 6670 confirmed right?

Show me where I said I believed that, let-alone say it's confirmed.
    
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I guess everyone is missing the fact that consoles will most likely be on 22nm when they launch. The latest ridiculous console rumor by the way is a 16 core CPU in the 360 successor. Since you guys ar so eager to believe the 6670 rumor I suppose you will buy that one as well. http://sillegamer.com/2012/04/06/xbox-720-devkit-specs-detailed-includes-16-core-processor/
The sad thing is that you can't just enjoy both PC's and consoles. Console exclusives are simply better this generation and your really missing out on a lot of good stuff. Being an irrational fanboy must be tough.

My statements have nothing to do with PC or console fanboyism, just what I see as sound, logical, business decisions.

I did mention 22nm in my posts, and pointed out that even at 22nm, a 7850 class GPU is really going to be pushing the power and heat envelope. I mean the thing is 130w at 28nm, and even if they shave off 30-40 by a move to 22nm (and that's optimisitic) they will still end up with a noticeably hotter, more power hungry part than what was in either the PS3 or XBox 360.

And again, I think you are taking what these rumors say too literally, thus discounting them out of hand.

If a PowerPC based design is to be used in the PS4, it's perfectly reasonable that the dev kit could have a processor with 4-8 PPC cores and 16 logical processors (the PPC cores in the PS3 Cell and XBox 360s Xenon have SMT). Dev kits are often more powerful, more full featured, than their associated consumer parts because they have to do more, like debug in real time.

That said, I'm still doubtful that a PPC based chip will be used at all.
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I'd like to point out that the 7850 is already a sub 100W part, and with a a slightly more conservative core clock and reduced voltage could probably get very close to 6670 power figures. This would make a hell of a lot more sense than a 6670, in fact the 7770 makes more sense too since it's power consumtion is lower than the 6670, but it's performance is considerably higher.
EDIT: Also, I can't figure out why all of these people want next gen consoles to have such poor specs. Shouldn't we want them to be roaring beasts that catapult the entire industry, especially PC, forward with better visuals.
Consoles have always been the catalyst for major graphical leaps in the industry, look at the difference in games from 2004 to 2005. Unreal Tournament 2004 was even considered to be pretty good graphically, and compared to 2005 games like CoD 2 it looks awful.
If you guys feel like the PC is being held back by consoles now, then just wait until we get 6 years into this next generation. It's gonna be hell if these specs are true.

The 7850 has a board TDP of 130w, not 100.

I could see a 7770, but you are incorrect when you say it's power consumption is lower than a 6670. The 6670 is much less power hungry than the 7770. Moving from 40 to 28nm cannot make up for being almost twice as fast.

I don't think anyone wants next gen consoles to be slow, but when it's a choice between having a big, expensive, and rather loud for a living room box like the original PS3; having a poorly cooled, terribly unreliable part like the XBox 360, I think most people would trade some eye candy for a cooler running, less expensive, more reliable system.

Performance, price, reliability...pick two.
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It's not just power consumption , Sony and MS are there to make profit. If it costs too much they will either have to sell it at a loss (like they did with current gen) or charge $1000+ for the consoles.

But the biggest factor in the cost of a chip is it's die size, (and yields, which AMD seems to be doing quite well with) and the 7770's die is only 4 sq mm larger than the 6670 die, while providing around 70% more performance. It's really a no brainer no matter how you look at it.

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The 7850 has a board TDP of 130w, not 100.
I could see a 7770, but you are incorrect when you say it's power consumption is lower than a 6670. The 6670 is much less power hungry than the 7770. Moving from 40 to 28nm cannot make up for being almost twice as fast.
I don't think anyone wants next gen consoles to be slow, but when it's a choice between having a big, expensive, and rather loud for a living room box like the original PS3; having a poorly cooled, terribly unreliable part like the XBox 360, I think most people would trade some eye candy for a cooler running, less expensive, more reliable system.
Performance, price, reliability...pick two.

Guru 3d review shows the 7850 at 106w at load so not quite under 100 but close. You're right though about the 7770, I remembered wrong, it pulls 80 something watts and 6670 pulls 60 something. Still not a HUGE difference though

Also the original PS3 was quieter than the 360, AND more reliable. I honestly don't think that there was much of a compromise to be had with the PS3 at all.
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To whomever thinks the next generations of consoles will have a GTX680 like GPU, i5-2500k like CPU, 8 gigs ddr3 RAM, and a +250 watt psu,

Please continue. This is hillarious.
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To whomever thinks the next generations of consoles will have a GTX680 like GPU, i5-2500k like CPU, 8 gigs ddr3 RAM, and a +250 watt psu,
Please continue. This is hillarious.

That would be hilarious if anyone believes such things but I don't think anyone said anything like that tongue.gif
    
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That would be hilarious if anyone believes such things but I don't think anyone said anything like that tongue.gif

You really didn't catch any of that?

120fps, 1080p, yaddayadda?

That would require a 680 or equivalent.
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doh.gif I remember now laugher.gif
    
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what I want to know is why do consoles have such low amounts of RAM? Is 4GB too much to ask? It's dirt cheap these days... last gen the PS3 had 512MB of RAM. 512 MB! In 2006! They couldn't even go for 1GB. Bleh.
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what I want to know is why do consoles have such low amounts of RAM? Is 4GB too much to ask? It's dirt cheap these days... last gen the PS3 had 512MB of RAM. 512 MB! In 2006! They couldn't even go for 1GB. Bleh.

256MB actually.

That is what so many devs were complaining about. I'm sure next gen will have at least 3GB
    
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