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My school of thought is scientific wink.gif
It eliminates any subjective variables, for which there are MANY.
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My school of thought is scientific wink.gif
It eliminates any subjective variables, for which there are MANY.

read through the link of the forum you referred.

seems like you're an advocate for aac
 
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Not to thread-jack, but quick question for audiofriends...I listen to FLAC on my onboard Realtek audio with a pair of Klipsch S4s. Is this insanely retarded, or still better than MP3 in this instance?

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Not to thread-jack, but quick question for audiofriends...I listen to FLAC on my onboard Realtek audio with a pair of Klipsch S4s. Is this insanely retarded, or still better than MP3 in this instance?

from what i have read...flac rips the exact 1 and 0 from the cd, so its the exact replica with smaller filesize..
 
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Not to thread-jack, but quick question for audiofriends...I listen to FLAC on my onboard Realtek audio with a pair of Klipsch S4s. Is this insanely retarded, or still better than MP3 in this instance?

Still better.

AAC is the best thing after FLAC/ALAC.
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i just did a spectral comparison between an aac 198kpbs 5.2mb, ogg 192kbps 4.6mb and mp3 256kbps 6.7mb of a song from the same source

just from my pc speaker alone, i could hear the aac version clearer and brighter. i have not tried it using my ath headphones

MP3 is at the top, OGG in the middle and the AAC at the bottom
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seems like not only the AAC is at a lower bitrate, it able to pack more data in a smaller file as compared to the mp3.

*edit* but at the end of the day, would a person be able to recognise/feel any difference between those 3 formats? if not, he might be happy with a 128kbps mp3.

sd cards are getting bigger and cheaper by the day, 32gig sd card could be had by less than 40usd here
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try this player for flac files for your phone
if you must use lossy then nothing less than 320kb/s MP3 or high bitrate AAC

also, get the e-11, you wont regret it
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i just did a spectral comparison between an aac 198kpbs 5.2mb and ogg 192kbps 4.6mb of a song from the same source
just from my pc speaker alone, i could hear the aac version abit clearer and brighter. i have not tried it using my ath headphones
AAC is the top one, and the OGG is the bottom
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That is my feeling about aac vs the other codecs as well.

I used mp3 for years until switching to itunes and I figured why not try aac? It turned out it sounds much better. ( To me )

If I had to pin it down to one thing I'd say it's the "air" or "life" of the music that sometimes gets lost with lossy codecs.

It's similar to looking at a tiff or a raw image file and then seeing it in jpeg, you know it's different but it's not always something you can put your finger on. But since the compressed file sizes are drastically smaller, most feel this "loss" of quality is worth it.

I think aac is the best of the lossy codecs I have tried

mp3, ogg, aac, etc...
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It is on an objective level via spectrograms. AAC represents more data at a lower bitrate than mp3. Easily replicated in 5 mins.
See my post here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/493173/320-aac-vs-flac/45#post_6667267
Same applies to AAC.
Anyway OP, Ogg Vorbis is fine too but depending on device and firmware, it can chew through the battery life more than AAC as Vorbis is a more complex codec code wise not to mention AAC is more supported.
mp3 is a very outdated codec.

This is really really stupid. And right below that post, some are calling you out on it. How are you going to tell perceived audio quality to humans by looking at spectrograms? The point with lossy encoding in this context is that the information that is missing should be inaudible or less audible because it's being masked by everything else.

This is one way to look at the differences between lossy encoding, but it's a very inaccurate way that corresponds not well to perceived audio quality. This type of misanalysis is worse than a lot of the complete BS subjective writing on head-fi because at first glance to some novices, it looks plausible because there is some backing.

If the "cut off" frequencies really bother you (as in, if you can actually hear up to 20 kHz fine; a lot of people looking at spectrograms are just looking for this as a kind of forensic tool to recognize lossy encoding), you can set the lowpass filtering option to pass through whatever you want on the mp3 or other lossy encoder.

I'll agree mp3 is outdated though, but modern LAME is a good enough encoder that it's usually fine, and you will run into 0 compatibility problems in any kind of system ever if you have mp3 files. That said, I use Ogg Vorbis personally for storage-constrained hardware.
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from what i have read...flac rips the exact 1 and 0 from the cd, so its the exact replica with smaller filesize..

Not entirely true. There are minor jitters and absences. The disc will vibrate and a few of those 1s and 0s may be lost and just interpolated. Though FLAC is lossless.
    
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