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post #11 of 29
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Ok $3000 is not budget

I'm guessing he means that $3,000 is his personal budget and not that he's building a budget setup.Ya dig? coolsmiley.png
post #12 of 29
Basic info:

* You should build your own computer because it's fun, not that hard, gives a sense of satisfaction, and at the budget you're looking at, will save you many hundreds of dollars (or it will perform hundreds of dollars better, your choice).

* I'd recommend desktop over laptop - far and away better performance and high end gaming laptops are big, heavy, and produce a lot of heat. Not a bad idea to spend ~400-500 on a peppy little surfing laptop if a pad or phone doesn't fulfill your mobile computing needs.

* You want an Intel processor. AMD processors are good for many things, but not top-performance gaming. You also want a quad-core processor because games can only effectively utilize 4 cores. You probably want to overclock. Again, not that hard, very beneficial, and the only way to really get top performance. The exception to the quad-core rule is if you're rendering graphics, producing a stream, or that sort of thing. For just games, stick to quad-core and ignore hyperthreading (i7s= hyperthreading). The upshot? You want an i5-2500k or an i5-3570k. The i5-2500k is the current overclockable intel quad-core best for gaming (from the current-gen set of processors code named "sandy bridge." The i5-3570k will be released at the end of April, if you want to wait that long. It will be the overclockable intel quad-core best for gaming from the upcoming generation of intel processors code named "ivy brdige." The performance is expected to be essentially the same, with probably a 5-10% speed increase (less noticeable actual effect). The downside of the ivy bridge is you have to wait until the end of april.

* Your biggest decision with a budget of that size is actually what kind of monitor setup do you want to play on? There are three main luxury options:
1) A 23" or 24" 120hz monitor. Standard monitors these days can do only 60 frames per second. The new 120hz monitors can do up to 120 frames per second (and in some case, a funky form of 3D gaming at 60 frames per second that no one seems to like). Many proponents say that the faster frames make motion in game seem much smoother and love their 120hz monitors. Frankly, I personally don't see much of a difference. Cost of decent 120hz monitor: $450-550 or so. Example: BenQ XL2420.

2) A BIG monitor. At 27" or 30", these monitors still look sharp because of an increased resolution (2560x1440 or 2560x1600). Just like a normal quality monitor. Only really freaking big. This is probably the option I'd go for. Cost can range from around $400 for the cheaper 27" imports to $1200 or so for the better 30" monitors. Example: HP zr30w.

3) THREE monitors. Ordinary monitors can be placed side-by-side for multi-monitor gaming (often referred to as Eyefinity or Surround, two brand names for video card drivers). This gives you a very wide screen @ 5760x1080 resolution. Cost depends on the quality of the monitor. ~$350-700. Example: 3x Dell U2312HM.

4) Just keep a single normal monitor like whatever you have right now. In that case, you have too much budget - you can achieve maximum performance on a single monitor for ~$1100 or so in computer tower, WAY under your budget. If you're not a mega gamer, not a bad idea. Example: 1x Dell U2312HM.

* This website being hardware-oriented, we tend to ignore peripherals and assume you already have the monitor setup you want. But it may actually be your most important decision. Certainly, the super-quality graphics cards everyone will recommend when parts lists start flying will be total overkill unless you have one of the first three options above.

* Budget for other peripherals. A luxury keyboard, mouse, headphones, maybe some speakers, can cost up to $300 (all together) or even more.

For a kick-ass tower capable of smoothly running one of the 3 luxury monitor setups above, you'll be looking at something like this:

(~$400-$450) intel i5-XXXXk with either a z68 (sandy bridge) or z77 (ivy bridge) + aftermarket CPU cooler.
(~$350) case, psu, & RAM - a luxury case, of which there are many (I recommend the corsair 550d), will run about $150, the PSU will be about as much (or more if you budget for 3 video cards), and ram should be about $50
(~$320) SSD, HDD, and DVD-burner. A DVD burner is dirt cheap. A 128GB SSD, a storage drive that reduces boot time, load times, and general access wait time, will cost about $170. More data storage than you really need (2TB or so) will cost about $120 in the form of a hard drive.
(~$1000) Two top-end video cards (7970s or 680s). One will manage the luxury monitor solutions above fairly well, 2 will make them shine. 3 is a bit out of your budget, not really necessary, and a pain to keep cool. If you are NOT getting one of the luxury monitor setups above, one top-end video card will be more than enough for your purposes.

The above estimates are basicaly high-end & luxury everything for a gaming setup. Now you may be adding up numbers and saying, hey, those estimates and a 30" monitor come to about $3200. Frankly, you can save money for about the same performance in many places in the build (and waste it... which will often come up in the advice you get).

Hopefully that overview can give you an idea of how to start looking at what you're purchasing.
Send a PM if you need tech talk translated to something more understandable or want me to get more specific about what you're looking at.
    
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post #13 of 29
Cpu- i5 3570k/i5 2550k/i7 3820/i7 2700k/i7 3770k
mobo- asus p8z77v pro/asus p9x79(for i7 3820/asus p8z68v pro
ram- 2x4gb gskill ripjawsX/4x4gb gskil ripjawsZ(for i7 3820) 1600mhz cl9
gpu- evga gtx680 superclocked(1st choice,coming soon,else gtx680 vannila)/sapphire hd7970 oc edition(2nd choice)
psu- corsair ax850/seasonic x850
pc case- cm storm trooper
cooler- noctura nh d14/corsair h80/h100
ssd- ocz vertex3 120gb
hdd- 1tb samsung sprinpoint F3
optical drive- asus/lg blu ray burner
monitor- asus/samsung/dell 24"
mouse- razer imperator
keyboard- razer black widow
This is the best possible build for your budget,hope you like it!
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post #14 of 29
Thanks for answering the initial questions. I think you can build a great machine for half of what you are spending and save some money for games. What I would recommend. I would think the Toms Hardware customers choice build would be great for you. I would make a couple of changes to that as far as motherboard and graphics are concerned but it is a great starting point if 1080P is your focus.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/newegg-pc-benchmark-review,3165.html#xtor=RSS-182
post #15 of 29
3000? alienware. biggrin.gif
post #16 of 29
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3000? alienware.

Nooooo. Don't go pre-built. Well, unless it's a laptop.
post #17 of 29
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overclocking: no.


Not trying to be a jerk... but why splurge if you're not even going to OC? I mean, you even said your computer know-how was like 2/10. Yet, you want to spend $2000 to $3000 on a PC. That just sounds like wasting money to me. If you aren't going to take advantage of the features that come with such an expensive build, I'd say don't even spend that much.

I'll figure out a build for you anyway.
Edited by vikingsteve - 3/31/12 at 1:48pm
post #18 of 29
One more suggestion for you, I saw some people recommending Razer peripherals, OCZ SSDs and 1600MHz RAM. You budget allows for more, so get more. Razer peripherals are good, but there are better (and sometimes more expensive) products out there; it also comes down to preference. Samsung, Intel and partially Crucial make the most reliable SSDs available, they are not AS fast, but still waaaay superior to a typical Harddrive. OCZ and Corsair products are faster, but also more prone to failure. You decide what's best for you. Also since your budget allows it, purchase 1866, 2000 or higher clocked RAM. Make sure the latencies (numbers after frequency, for example: 9-9-9-27) are also as low as possible. Meaning higher clock PLUS low latency numbers = faster RAM. Hope I could help farther.
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post #19 of 29
Going by US prices, you should be able to purchase
a 1080p monitor (120hz possibly)
ivy bridge system. z77 board + 3770k + 8gb ram
x2 gtx 680
ssd
850w PSU
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Originally Posted by Dave R8 View Post

One more suggestion for you, I saw some people recommending Razer peripherals, OCZ SSDs and 1600MHz RAM. You budget allows for more, so get more. Razer peripherals are good, but there are better (and sometimes more expensive) products out there; it also comes down to preference. Samsung, Intel and partially Crucial make the most reliable SSDs available, they are not AS fast, but still waaaay superior to a typical Harddrive. OCZ and Corsair products are faster, but also more prone to failure. You decide what's best for you. Also since your budget allows it, purchase 1866, 2000 or higher clocked RAM. Make sure the latencies (numbers after frequency, for example: 9-9-9-27) are also as low as possible. Meaning higher clock PLUS low latency numbers = faster RAM. Hope I could help farther.

looking at NCIX and they have it so you can make a custom build and chose what to put in it, is everything on their the best?
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