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post #11 of 23
look up the benchmarks for the 3820 vs the 3930k on TomsHardware. Thats what gave me the confidence to open my wallet a little wider. Plus, if you do anything outside of gaming thats graphically demanding, those 2 extra cores will come in handy (both now and in the future when your rig gets pushed harder).
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I get the argument that moving to a 2011 eats budget.. Problem there being if I go 1155 on a z77 board.. after Ivy.. all the word I have picked up is thats that. Now sure.. a brand new 3770k will last an awfully long time.. but my though is that a 3930k on a 2011 socket will not only outperform the 3770k but as far as 2 years down the road or what not.. there will be a new 2011 chip to throw in whereas Im not as certain of that for a 1155..

I am always a little confused by this line of thinking. 1155 is no more a dead socket than 2011 is. Ivy is not out yet, so both sockets are looking at one more round of upgrades and then they are done. The only difference is that 1155's upgrades are due out in a month while 2011's aren't due for the better part of a year. After IB-E, 2011 will be done away with for another socket to accept Haswell-E.

I just wanted to point out to you that gaming performance won't be any better on 2011. Benches might show very slight increases, but the real world performance will be the same. A 2500K is going to give basically the same results as a 3960X when it comes to gaming. If you were planning on Quad SLI running three monitors with high resolution, then it might be a little different. You're starting with one card and possibly going to 2. You're don't need 2011 for that. One could argue, with Virtu MVP on the way, 1155 has the "possibility" of working better than 2011. That all comes down to if MVP actually works or if its another Virtu flop. 2011 doesn't support IGP so its not even a possibility. Video editing/rendering is where 2011 shines. If you're going to be doing a lot of video editing and so forth, than definitely stick with 2011. If gaming is really your primary use of the machine, combined with your budget, think about 1155 instead. The upgrade path is the same its just that Mainstream is ahead of Enthusiast by about 9-10 months. Enthusiast gives you the option for 6 cores and probably 8 in the future, but that comes with a much higher price tag. Do you really need the extra cores? You have to answer that truthfully to yourself before you build. If you don't need those extra cores, you're wasting your money.
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Ah I was typing my reply as you threw yours in there formula.. Now the 3820 I am iffy on.. sure its a very formidable chip.. but again I fall into the line of thought that saving 300 bucks in the long run isnt that big of a deal.. IF i am getting substantial performance out of that cash.. now the same logic would NOT prove true for say the 500 upgrade to a 3960k.


 

You misunderstood my point...

You loose nothnig going with a 3820, over the 3930k in the short term.

 

 

$309  vs  $600, but why?

Why not just grab the 3820 and NEXT YEAR... spend that extra $300 (that you would've spend upgrading to a 3930k) on the new IB-e chip?

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit:

Lou, because LGA1155 will not have 6 & 8 core CPU's.. and Ivy Bridge-E @ 8 cores will be dominant even when Haswell comes out.

 

 


Edited by formula m - 4/1/12 at 11:16am
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Great feedback as expected from this site..

To formula,
I did get your initial point, but I counter simply with the fact I DO have that 300 to spend, and I will get a significant boost stepping up to the 3930k. As a side note, always been standoff-ish towards locked/partially locked chips anyways. But yeah so.. say IB-E comes out next summer.. I will then have the opportunity to compare and upgrade again if I see fit. The notion to downgrade now to then wait a year for something new just doesnt work for me haha, I live for the day

On a few things..
After looking a few more places Im set on the 2011/3930k route. While gaming/browsing will be my most common use of the rig, girlfriend and my brother will be using it at my place for rendering/video editing AND as I think I said before at some point I just have to succumb to my need for a high benchmark. To some, might sound odd.. but its just how I think. The same can be said for OCing, from the outside looking in at what we do, some might say "ok thats kinda cool but you dont need that extra performance" or cooling or whatever it may be. So part time use of the added cores plus the enthusiast/ hobbyist in me has overridden my check writing angel on the other shoulder for this project.

Also of note,
I am DEFINITELY going SLI right off the bat, my only concern or debate is to wait for a 680 that comes water block equipped or install blocks myself.. since I have no extreme necessity for this rig to be done ASAP I think I will start ordering parts and wait a bit on the GPU's, atleast a few more weaks I heard rumors of EVGA putting out some new versions of the 680 mid April, we'll see.



Few questions for the peanut gallery..
First.. Motherboard selection.. I am a little stuck on my decision.. initially I was looking at the Sabertooth.. I could also throw another 50 bucks at a RIVE.. I do not have a specific Asus preference and would love to hear suggestions, full or extended boards only.. preferably atleast 3way sli support but not a dealbreaker if I can only dual for now.. looking for something quality but after looking all around my secondary concern is aesthetics.. I would like to get a card that is A) All black/grey (no shiny blue/red heatsinks) or B) Just a little more muted in design, whether that be mostly greys, or if it does have a color, that color needs to be muted as opposed to flashy if you catch my drift..

At the end of the day the MOBO will probably decide my scheme for the rest of the rig so I am looking kinda deeply into it.

thanks,
ill be thinking of you,

-tburk


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After putzing around a bit more today I have come to settle on a build.. still waivering on the mobo and ram.. also I decided to throw a 27" monitor into the mix.. thoughts? this was the first one I came across (want to stick to that 2-300 buck price range on it.. doesnt have to be 27" but no smaller than 23")

CASE: NZXT Switch 810
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146088

PSU: CORSAIR Pro Series Gold AX850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139015

CPU: Intel i7-3930k
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492

MOBO: ASUS Sabertooth x79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801

RAM: CORSAIR VENGEANCE 16GB (4x4) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233252

SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series 128GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147163

STORAGE DRIVE: SEAGATE Barracuda Green 2TB 5900 RPM 6.0GB/S
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148681

(now, I might go intead for a WD Black 1.5TB 7200 RPM 6GB/S.. undecided but price for the amount of storage is nice there.. on such a large harddrive I cant see 5900/7200 making much difference.. thats a lot of disk to get through.. thoughts?)

MONITOR: SAMSUNG 27" p2770fh
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001431



As far as aesthetics go.. everything here is either a black or tan/brown for the most part.. not a lot of chrome.. Im picturing the Switch with that white on the inside contrasting against dark (but not colorful) components, and then bring in bright green power extensions and coolant to add a pop of color.. any thoughts?

ahh thanks
-tburk

EDIT: just saw I didnt mention the GPU.. still thinking 2x 680's in SLI.. undecided on brand (im partial to evga or zotac cards) but we will see what versions are released or if I need to go to EK for blocks.. so more on that to come
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001475

120Hz monitor, 23" is perfect size for a 1080p monitor, and the samsung TN screens are beautiful (I have 2 wink.gif haha). It is a little expensive, but if youre building a PC with high end hardware, you should at least reap the benefit of your higher framerates. If you need convincing, there are several reaction threads on here where people were blown away after getting a 120Hz monitor (coming from 60Hz).
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Ill look into the 120mhz monitors.. like i said havent paid much attention to to that side of things yet..

Also on the RAM and maybe a few other parts.. using this build here that I have established I might look into shaving a few bucks off one aspect or another.. the RAM for instance I am wondering if I could just as easily buy a $50 cheaper set and clock it to run at the vengeance timings.. eyeing the G.SKILL Sniper for instance.. not sure..

I might upgrade the SSD from 128gb to a 240gb drive as well.. so if I can find saving in one catagory I might go that route..
     
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Yeah, monitors are often overlooked when building a PC. A typical monitor (60hz) can only display 60 frames per second, so anything over that doesn't even get displayed. So you should either get an 1440p or 120hz monitor so you can take advantage of the added graphical muscle you have, otherwise you could just get a worse gpu/cpu combo and you wouldn't see the difference.
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Now I am curious about multiple display setups.. but I just dont see it fitting into my lifestyle.. the whole look to this rig is to be toned down.. sure I'll have a bit of color to show off my water work.. but no big flashy leds or anything.. I am at the point where even though its a home office.. i feel like i might look silly with multiple screens.. i dont know.. but yeah thanks for the input ill check it out..

Also debating the size of the monitor.. Right now working off a 17" laptop so anything will look big.. but I am having a hard time remembering the size of my last desktop screen.. I want to say it was a 20" LG LCD.. I have a monster desk in a relatively bare room so I think a big (but quality/beautiful) 27" screen would really be great.. not to mention when I get to multi-tasking being able to have 3+ windows on the screen without having to squint..
     
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Now I have considered the PSU issue.. 1000 was ballpark.. I like to run my power on the safe/overkill side.. but Im figuring running 2 rads/10 or so fans/the rig/ with the room to throw another 680 in SLI all without having to even blink or crunch numbers.. with the scaling costs of power supplies.. will I really be spending too much more upgrading from a 750w to a 950+?

I'm under 700W at full load 4.8GHz. It wont "hurt", but you can buy a higher quality 800W PSU with a better 80+ rating with the same money it takes to buy a lower quality 1000W PSU.

I have to disclose though that I just picked up a 910W PC Power&Cooling unit 'cause I got it for a steal at $89 AR. It's more than I need, but it's 80+ Silver rated I trust it more than the OCZ 800W I have in there now.
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