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post #1 of 10
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Hello!

I'm new to the community and want to start water cooling my system.

I want to start and have been reading how to water cool, but I'm stuck on choosing the right system. I want to be able to water cool my CPU and GPU.

I currently have a 2500k and 680 gtx that I want to cool. With a Corsair Carbide 300R case.

I'm thinking of getting of getting a res/pump combo (Koolance RP-985) and use Koolance's water blocks for the CPU and GPU. I also want to use 1/2 diameter pipes. What do you guys think?

I'm quite new so I don't know if there are any other brands out there that are better than Koolance. I understand that its better to keep the radiator outside the res because of the extra heat. But does it really matter?

I'm also thinking of using a 2 fan 120mm radiator combine with a 1 fan 120mm radiator is it too much? Will a 2 fan 120mm radiator enough for CPU and GPU? I want to be able to cool as much as possible and keep the system quiet.
post #2 of 10
You're best bet is to read the stickies to start with and really familiarise yourself with what you're thinking of doing.
Look up Martins Liquid Lab & Skinnee Labs
At the end of the day you're pumping something through a system that will destroy every component in your rig given half a chance.
You want to know what you're doing

I'm not for a second trying to put you off.
It is a very worthwhile endeavour but read up first.

You'll want at least a 240mm radiator to cool a 680 and a 2500k. (or a 2 fan 120mm if I understand you correctly smile.gif )

Consider the future too, is it worth getting a 120mm radiator because that's what fits in your current case or are you better off getting a second 240mm radiator and mounting it externally for the possibility of future expansion?

Are you planning on overclocking any of these parts? How about in the future? SLI?

You're always better off leaving yourself plenty of headroom.

There are reviews for koolance blocks at those sites, you can get a feel for the manufacturer and see how they typically stack up.
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply and thanks for the sites, I was trying to find sites like.

As for the radiator part. I'm just wondering if a 240mm radiator is good enough for the CPU and GPU. Or will need need to add another 120mm radiator also. My case should be able to fit both 240mm and 120mm radiators.

I do plan on overclocking. I usually overclock in the winter when my room is nice a cool. But in the summer I usually switch back to stock.

I understand how to put the system together, my issue is find all the different manufactures and know which one is better.
post #4 of 10
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Do you think the tank/pump combo is better than just having individual pump and res?

I have read up on that people saying the tank/pump combo adds more heat in the water, which I understand because the pump heats up in the water, but is it that significant?

I also read up on the single pump heating up also like the Koolance RP-400 (DDC) and if you get it individually you might want to have a heat sink and fans at the base to cool it?
post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by dhongyt View Post

I have read up on that people saying the tank/pump combo adds more heat in the water, which I understand because the pump heats up in the water, but is it that significant?

Not significant. Any pump will add a little bit of heat whether it's incorporated into a pump/res combo or is a stand-alone component but the added effect is tiny. As for the rest of your post, I don't have any koolance stuff in my build so I can't speak to particulars about them...
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the thing about a rad/pump combo if the pump dies u lose both it and the rad, keep it separate and it is easier to replace,
and i have a 240 rad (slim) for my cpu only, no overclock, and i wouldn't want it getting much hotter, summer = 55C on load,
so with a gpu grab at least another 120 worth, lots of people like to have a little rad between cpu and gpu it dosn't matter really but its a nice touch,
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post #7 of 10
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So I guess now I just have to find the pump that is good for me. Choosing between a DDC or a D5. I have read reviews about DDC being small and nice but louder than the D5s. Also the sound is minimal. Why would I want one over the other in plain english.

On specific article I read was about the Koolance RP-400 about how the base of it heats up and people have rigged it so that there is a heat sink and fan to take away some of that heat.
Will I have to do mods like that, I would like to focus more on just actually water cooling and not sweat the small stuff.

I been looking at the Swifttech MCP35X since it adds the PWM. What are other ones you recommend, its hard to look at tons of the pumps when I don't really understand most of the lingo yet.
post #8 of 10
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I think based on what I read I'm starting to paste things together. Since I want to have a cooling block on the CPU and GPU I might want to get a stronger pump to be able to keep a good flow rate.
So is it true that the D5 pumps are stronger pumps that the DDCs?

So its kind of like a balancing act right? If I get blocks that have low restrictions then a smaller pump could achieve the flow rate that I need, but if I have blocks that are high restrictions then I might want to have a stronger pump.

I have read in a forum about some guy talking about you want the highest flow rate possible to achieve turbulence in your system, is this true? How would I go about generating these turbulence?
post #9 of 10
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So I've been doing a lot more research and I think I have narrowed it down to a couple of set ups that I might want (still having issues choosing a pump).

Radiator
Black Ice GTX Xtreme 240
Black Ice GT Stealth 120 X-Flow

CPU Block
XSPC Raystorm (but i heard the mount isn't really good and I do have a Asus P8P67 motherboard, I could get a EK Supreme HF Full-Nickel)

GPU
Would like add a GPU single full block here also but so far I only see a full block made by Koolance for the Nvidia GTX 680.

Tubing
ID: 3/8
OD: 1/2

Fans
Scythe Ultra Kaze
or
Noctua P12
(Issue here is that from the reviews I heard the GTX radiators are better when fans are running at higher RPM, but I don't want my fans to be loud any recommendations?)

From what I read on how to choose a pump http://www.overclock.net/t/1108918/what-can-my-pump-handle-a-guide.
I'm not really understanding the PSI calculations what is that for? I was looking at pumps and they gave me charts of the here for the MCP35X http://skinneelabs.com/swiftech-mcp35x/2/
Is it saying that if the pump running at 1.0 GPM it can only handle 6.13 PSI? So my whole system should be less than that for it to work out? And if the pump runs at full speed I will get 3.50 GPM which means that the PSI of my whole system needs to be less than 3.15 PSI?
Edited by dhongyt - 4/2/12 at 9:18am
post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by dhongyt View Post

So I've been doing a lot more research and I think I have narrowed it down to a couple of set ups that I might want (still having issues choosing a pump).
Radiator
Black Ice GTX Xtreme 240
Black Ice GT Stealth 120 X-Flow
CPU Block
XSPC Raystorm (but i heard the mount isn't really good and I do have a Asus P8P67 motherboard, I could get a EK Supreme HF Full-Nickel)
GPU
Would like add a GPU single full block here also but so far I only see a full block made by Koolance for the Nvidia GTX 680.
Tubing
ID: 3/8
OD: 1/2
Fans
Scythe Ultra Kaze
or
Noctua P12
(Issue here is that from the reviews I heard the GTX radiators are better when fans are running at higher RPM, but I don't want my fans to be loud any recommendations?)
From what I read on how to choose a pump http://www.overclock.net/t/1108918/what-can-my-pump-handle-a-guide.
I'm not really understanding the PSI calculations what is that for? I was looking at pumps and they gave me charts of the here for the MCP35X http://skinneelabs.com/swiftech-mcp35x/2/
Is it saying that if the pump running at 1.0 GPM it can only handle 6.13 PSI? So my whole system should be less than that for it to work out? And if the pump runs at full speed I will get 3.50 GPM which means that the PSI of my whole system needs to be less than 3.15 PSI?

If you're looking for a quieter system the GTX Xtreme isn't a good choice. It doesn't really start shinning until you're over 1500rpm.
If you're looking to use quieter fans look at either the HwLabs SR-1 or the Thermocchill TA. You'll get better performance than out of an RX series while still being able to use low rpm fans.

The Raystorm is a good block, you'll be happy with it

Hard to comment on the GPU block. There are a few in the pipeline, I know EK has one out. See here. but it'll be a month or two before any in-depth reviews start showing up.

With most blocks you won't get a significant performance difference with increased flow rate. Aim for 1.5gpm. That way you have scope for expansion.
Either the MCP35x or the D5 are great pumps. Both have models with speed control. It's standard on the MCP35x otherwise look for the Vario with the D5.
That way you can adjust the noise level to suit your needs, and can see the performance trade off.

Fan wise either are fine choices with the radiators I mentioned. I'd look at getting a fan controller. There are reports that some Ultra Kazes can get a clicking problem at lower speeds but that might be resolved now. It's worth looking at Yate Loons & Gentle Typhoons too. The Yates are cheap and the high speed model gives a lot of flexibility with a fan controller. You get even further flexibility with the Gentle Typhoons, they're quieter at higher speeds, the AP15 would suit you well.
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