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So, was playing battlefield 3, as i often do, while recording with DxTory.... on my sig rig.

Suddenly, game freezes up. I reboot, and things appear as normal as i log into windows...


But PC is extremely sluggish, i couldn't put my finger on as to why - i assumed that Windows was corrupt from the crash, so i kinda welcomed a reformat considering i've been putting it off for months.

I reformat, again in Raid-0, only to find it's still very sluggish.

Turns out that both harddrives are on their last legs. HD tune reports that one HDD has several errors and consistently drops transfer speeds to less than a meg, the other harddrive, although runs at normal speed most the time, reports back errors. Neither HDD make any unusual sounds other than what is expected, so i think this could be related to the PCB that sits exposed under the HDD's...

I replaced all sata cables, tried the HDD's in other PC's, as well as different SATA ports, and the problem still exists. Long story short, i think they're both knackered.

What bad luck, with the current market charging a fortune for Harddrives, plus the fact that this really, really isn't an expense i can afford.


So, i need you guys to give me some help, i've got a few questions that need answering:

1. Basically, these harddrives are a year and a half old and i purchased them as OEM products (From Ebuyer, UK) Basically, i need to find out if these harddrives are under warranty. Would OEM drives have the standard 3 Year warranty that i often see Samsung F3's come with? Or don't OEM Harddrives come with one?

2. If it turns out they don't, i'll need to purchase some replacement drives. Whats the best HDD's to run in Raid-0 on the market right now? Does anything outperform the 1TB F3's?


Thanks for any help guys. I can't believe my luck - what are the chances that BOTH harddrives fail at the same bloody time? I was convinced this was a mobo chipset problem....at least that would've been cheaper.....sigh....
Edited by Thingamajig - 4/1/12 at 11:36pm
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what are the chances that BOTH harddrives fail at the same bloody time?

Before anything, check your PSU.
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Before anything, check your PSU.
Thanks but i really don't think it's that - unless there's something i'm missing. I tested the two harddrives separately in another PC system and got the same results. Besides, the PSU is reasonably new and provides more than enough power for my needs - Umbra often only draws around 650 Watts under the highest stress tests, the PSU is capable of 850.

Really don't think there's going to be any easy (Cheap) way out of this. This sucks.

I've just sent an email off to Ebuyer to see if they can provide any help. I was tempted to ring them but the charges are something i don't particularly want to pay, even if i'd get a quicker response.

Either way i'm not going to hold my breath. They probably wont respond till much later today anywhoo, in the meantime i'd like to see where i stand on the warranty side of things. Anyone have any idea's?
Edited by Thingamajig - 4/2/12 at 12:21am
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Thanks but i really don't think it's that. I tested the two harddrives separately in another PC system and got the same results. Besides, the PSU is reasonably new and provides more than enough power for my needs - Umbra often only draws around 650 Watts under the highest stress tests, the PSU is capable of 850.
Really don't think there's going to be any easy (Cheap) way out of this. This sucks.

No, let me explain:
If the PSU delivered a voltage spike, it would burn your HDDs, so that they still won't work even in another PC with another PSU.
Also, it's not a matter of capacity - even of you use only 150W out of 1kW PSU, you are still only 1 bad seal away from burning everything smile.gif

So, check the 5v and 12v rails for spikes before buying new HDDs, because it would suck really bad if the PSU burns your new drives as well smile.gif

(I'm not saying it IS that, I'm just saying it's a possible risk worth checking wink.gif )
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No, let me explain:
If the PSU delivered a voltage spike, it would burn your HDDs, so that they still won't work even in another PC with another PSU.
Also, it's not a matter of capacity - even of you use only 150W out of 1kW PSU, you are still only 1 bad seal away from burning everything smile.gif
So, check the 5v and 12v rails for spikes before buying new HDDs, because it would suck really bad if the PSU burns your new drives as well smile.gif
(I'm not saying it IS that, I'm just saying it's a possible risk worth checking wink.gif )

oh right. How would i go about doing this? I'm not too knowledgeable in this field, and my ignorance kinda puts me off from messin' with anything in regards to volts, spikes and suchlike. I've got a multimeter, but that doesn't mean to say i know how to use it biggrin.gif
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I had some problems with one of my F3s and I copied everything off of it and did a full format on it and now it acts like its all good since I never got around to actually doing a full format considering quick format is a quick and dirty way of resetting stuff,

But Ive been getting UDMA errors all over the place because of my external usb adapter I used them on and it seems to go crazy if it was a OS drive. But i reformated as I was having reallocating sectors pending popping up so I emptied and wiped and it acts like its all better now rolleyes.gif
 
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I had some problems with one of my F3s and I copied everything off of it and did a full format on it and now it acts like its all good since I never got around to actually doing a full format considering quick format is a quick and dirty way of resetting stuff,
But Ive been getting UDMA errors all over the place because of my external usb adapter I used them on and it seems to go crazy if it was a OS drive. But i reformated as I was having reallocating sectors pending popping up so I emptied and wiped and it acts like its all better now rolleyes.gif


I'll give this a shot especially as both HDD's work, albeit the one slowly. It's not like i got anything to lose as running Raid-0 encouraged me to make regular backups anyway. It's odd but the drives still work, it's just HDtune gives me health warnings/errors under the health tab, one of them describing that it could be a faulty SATA cable issue. (This warning is present on both HDD's, regardless of SATA cable used or port)

in fact, i'll try and take a screenshot of HDTune for you guys.

Did you use anything in particular to do a full format?
Edited by Thingamajig - 4/2/12 at 12:46am
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Try running this on both of them http://www.dban.org/
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Try running this on both of them http://www.dban.org/

Aha, i forgot about this. Thanks. I'll get on that now.


Here's a screenshot of HDTune. This is the harddrive thats worse off, lets just call it "HDD One"(Runs slow, returns 3 warning/errors) The other HDD has a more stable graph and only returns 1 warning (C7 - ultra DMA CRC Error Count) At least it did last time i checked.
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The drive with just ultra DMA CRC could be cause of the motherboard chipset, the sata ports, the sata cable, or the controller on the hard drive. I replaced my sata cables and Ive yet to rack up any more of them errors.

Now the one that says calibration retry count throw it away its going to get worse.

Best drives for raid 0 are the ones that have nothing to do with energy saving drives as they have more aggressive internal power saving controls and will make your raid go stupid. So no WD Green drives or has a alternating rpm speed. Or you can get Enterprise HDs which will be better in any raid issues due to hd parking.

But really right now price for space would be a larger concern dont you think?
 
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