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Overkill or not! If you want the best, get the best! thumb.gif

Define best then... Keep in mind, the OP stated gaming was the rig's main purpose.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-core-i7-3770k/9

In the above link, they did ten gaming tests with the 3770K squared off against the 3930K and the 3960X. The 3770K beat the 3930K in 9 out of 10 tests and beat the 3960X in 8 out of 10. This would be very different if the OP specifically said he wanted the best rig for video editing, but he said gaming. 2011 is the WRONG choice for a rig that will be used almost exclusively for gaming.

Too many on this forum get caught up in the MOAR power syndrome. Bottomline is there is nothing that makes any 2011 system a better gaming rig. 2011 will run rings around any 1155 with anything that utilizes all the cores/threads, but gaming isn't one of them.
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Define best then... Keep in mind, the OP stated gaming was the rig's main purpose.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-core-i7-3770k/9
In the above link, they did ten gaming tests with the 3770K squared off against the 3930K and the 3960X. The 3770K beat the 3930K in 9 out of 10 tests and beat the 3960X in 8 out of 10. This would be very different if the OP specifically said he wanted the best rig for video editing, but he said gaming. 2011 is the WRONG choice for a rig that will be used almost exclusively for gaming.
Too many on this forum get caught up in the MOAR power syndrome. Bottomline is there is nothing that makes any 2011 system a better gaming rig. 2011 will run rings around any 1155 with anything that utilizes all the cores/threads, but gaming isn't one of them.


Just because software developers have not designed many games that can utilize the power of the 3930k, 3960x, does not in any way negate the potential of these processors.

In reality, the only advantage that the 3770k has in the benchmarks listed is its 3.5Ghz stock speed. This versus the 3.2Ghz stock speed of the 3930K and the 3.4Ghz speed of the 3960X. With only a slight overclock of the processors listed, no bottleneck will be experienced even with the latest graphics cards at resolutions of 1920 x 1080 or greater so the performance is almost the same.

So equal gaming capability and superior rendering/Multitasking ability is experienced with the 2011 hexacores. With the budget the OP stated, I would take a 3930K.
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Just because software developers have not designed many games that can utilize the power of the 3930k, 3960x, does not in any way negate the potential of these processors.
In reality, the only advantage that the 3770k has in the benchmarks listed is its 3.5Ghz stock speed. This versus the 3.2Ghz stock speed of the 3930K and the 3.4Ghz speed of the 3960X. With only a slight overclock of the processors listed, no bottleneck will be experienced even with the latest graphics cards at resolutions of 1920 x 1080 or greater so the performance is almost the same.
So equal gaming capability and superior rendering/Multitasking ability is experienced with the 2011 hexacores. With the budget the OP stated, I would take a 3930K.

and 1 more important thing is that anandtech ran benchmarks on built in intel gpu's i7 3770k has hd 4000 graphics card and i7 2600k, i5 2500k, i7 3930k and i7 3960x all has intel hd 3000 graphics card thats why u were able to see alot of difference between i7 3770k and i7 3930k but who is gonna use those cards anyway i think i7 3770k will show some 2 or 3 fps extra when compared to i7 3930k but when games utilise 6 cores efficiently it will be a day and night difference between 4 core cpu and 6 core cpu . God Bless
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Just because software developers have not designed many games that can utilize the power of the 3930k, 3960x, does not in any way negate the potential of these processors.
In reality, the only advantage that the 3770k has in the benchmarks listed is its 3.5Ghz stock speed. This versus the 3.2Ghz stock speed of the 3930K and the 3.4Ghz speed of the 3960X. With only a slight overclock of the processors listed, no bottleneck will be experienced even with the latest graphics cards at resolutions of 1920 x 1080 or greater so the performance is almost the same.
So equal gaming capability and superior rendering/Multitasking ability is experienced with the 2011 hexacores. With the budget the OP stated, I would take a 3930K.

and 1 more important thing is that anandtech ran benchmarks on built in intel gpu's i7 3770k has hd 4000 graphics card and i7 2600k, i5 2500k, i7 3930k and i7 3960x all has intel hd 3000 graphics card thats why u were able to see alot of difference between i7 3770k and i7 3930k but who is gonna use those cards anyway i think i7 3770k will show some 2 or 3 fps extra when compared to i7 3930k but when games utilise 6 cores efficiently it will be a day and night difference between 4 core cpu and 6 core cpu

You obviously don't understand... 2011 does not have an IGP, so the tests that were run using the HD4000 graphics have nothing to do with it. What the 3770K beat 2011 in was "discrete graphics" performance. The point isn't which CPU is better, because both the 3930K and the 3960X are superior CPUs if you're using software that utilizes their strengths. The issue is that for gaming, the better CPU is a waste of money. A 4 core CPU matched a 6 core CPU and even bested it most of the time. What does that tell you? Its not about the hardware... Games don't take advantage of the extra core/threads. You get roughly the same performance with any of the top CPUs. Even the 2500K was right there with 2011 in the benchmarks that I posted above. The 3930K and 3960X have 12 threads and the 2500K only has 4, yet its right there with the big boys. Facts are facts... you want to waste your money, knock yourself out.

As to who is going to use those cards (meaning the HD4000 graphics), the answer is plenty of people. Nobody knows how well its going to work yet, but in theory Virtu MVP has the ability to change everything in terms of gaming. It will combine your discrete graphics card with the HD4000 and produce very high frame rates. Granted, its not out yet, so nothing can be confirmed, however this is something that won't be available for 2011. IF it works like Virtu claims, then the choice for best gaming performance will be the combination of Z77 and IB by quite a bit. If Virtu MVP is a flop, 1155 will still match 2011 in gaming performance and do so for considerably less money.

When games utilize 6 cores, you'll be right. However, that could still be quite some time yet. 4, 6 and 8 core CPUs have been available for quite a few years now and games still don't max out a 2500K yet. The hardware is miles ahead of the software.

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You obviously don't understand... 2011 does not have an IGP, so the tests that were run using the HD4000 graphics have nothing to do with it. What the 3770K beat 2011 in was "discrete graphics" performance. The point isn't which CPU is better, because both the 3930K and the 3960X are superior CPUs if you're using software that utilizes their strengths. The issue is that for gaming, the better CPU is a waste of money. A 4 core CPU matched a 6 core CPU and even bested it most of the time. What does that tell you? Its not about the hardware... Games don't take advantage of the extra core/threads. You get roughly the same performance with any of the top CPUs. Even the 2500K was right there with 2011 in the benchmarks that I posted above. The 3930K and 3960X have 12 threads and the 2500K only has 4, yet its right there with the big boys. Facts are facts... you want to waste your money, knock yourself out.
As to who is going to use those cards (meaning the HD4000 graphics), the answer is plenty of people. Nobody knows how well its going to work yet, but in theory Virtu MVP has the ability to change everything in terms of gaming. It will combine your discrete graphics card with the HD4000 and produce very high frame rates. Granted, its not out yet, so nothing can be confirmed, however this is something that won't be available for 2011. IF it works like Virtu claims, then the choice for best gaming performance will be the combination of Z77 and IB by quite a bit. If Virtu MVP is a flop, 1155 will still match 2011 in gaming performance and do so for considerably less money.
When games utilize 6 cores, you'll be right. However, that could still be quite some time yet. 4, 6 and 8 core CPUs have been available for quite a few years now and games still don't max out a 2500K yet. The hardware is miles ahead of the software.
MOAR POWER... MOAR POWER...

what you don't understand dude, because you just won't read. he want a future proof system.
a 4 core cpu is a great pc for running games now but in a year? 2 ? 6 months....... if you can say for sure it will make no difference , I ask you this:
what are the # for the next loto jackpot.
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Everyone neglects the i7 3820. Makes me a sad panda redface.gif

Best gaming choice. Why? Short term you get more PCI-E 3.0 lanes (x16/x16 or x16/x8/x8) and long term you get Ivy Bridge E support in the LGA 2011 socket if you want to upgrade. Ivy Bridge will get only x8/x8 support and AFAIK Ivy Bridge will be the last architecture released on LGA 1155.
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Everyone neglects the i7 3820. Makes me a sad panda redface.gif
Best gaming choice. Why? Short term you get more PCI-E 3.0 lanes (x16/x16 or x16/x8/x8) and long term you get Ivy Bridge E support in the LGA 2011 socket if you want to upgrade. Ivy Bridge will get only x8/x8 support and AFAIK Ivy Bridge will be the last architecture released on LGA 1155.

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what you don't understand dude, because you just won't read. he want a future proof system.
a 4 core cpu is a great pc for running games now but in a year? 2 ? 6 months....... if you can say for sure it will make no difference , I ask you this:
what are the # for the next loto jackpot.
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You obviously don't understand... 2011 does not have an IGP, so the tests that were run using the HD4000 graphics have nothing to do with it. What the 3770K beat 2011 in was "discrete graphics" performance. The point isn't which CPU is better, because both the 3930K and the 3960X are superior CPUs if you're using software that utilizes their strengths. The issue is that for gaming, the better CPU is a waste of money. A 4 core CPU matched a 6 core CPU and even bested it most of the time. What does that tell you? Its not about the hardware... Games don't take advantage of the extra core/threads. You get roughly the same performance with any of the top CPUs. Even the 2500K was right there with 2011 in the benchmarks that I posted above. The 3930K and 3960X have 12 threads and the 2500K only has 4, yet its right there with the big boys. Facts are facts... you want to waste your money, knock yourself out.
As to who is going to use those cards (meaning the HD4000 graphics), the answer is plenty of people. Nobody knows how well its going to work yet, but in theory Virtu MVP has the ability to change everything in terms of gaming. It will combine your discrete graphics card with the HD4000 and produce very high frame rates. Granted, its not out yet, so nothing can be confirmed, however this is something that won't be available for 2011. IF it works like Virtu claims, then the choice for best gaming performance will be the combination of Z77 and IB by quite a bit. If Virtu MVP is a flop, 1155 will still match 2011 in gaming performance and do so for considerably less money.
When games utilize 6 cores, you'll be right. However, that could still be quite some time yet. 4, 6 and 8 core CPUs have been available for quite a few years now and games still don't max out a 2500K yet. The hardware is miles ahead of the software.
MOAR POWER... MOAR POWER...

Thoughts and justification has been provided to you on a future proof build and at the budget specified and you just do not listen! It is all about the now and the only need is a standard quad core with no hype threading that overclocks decently!

By your justification, just get a I7-920 and overclock it to 3.8Ghz! This and a decent board can be had for $230. This would be the route to take! Cheap and now! It is not about the best but what to get by! Jeez! doh.gif

I do not neglect the 3820, It is a superb processor!
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what you don't understand dude, because you just won't read. he want a future proof system.
a 4 core cpu is a great pc for running games now but in a year? 2 ? 6 months....... if you can say for sure it will make no difference , I ask you this:
what are the # for the next loto jackpot.

He will not understand rustynails! It is all about the now and only for him! An I3-540 at 4.3Ghz would suit him for life! or an Xbox 360! applaud.gif
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You obviously don't understand... 2011 does not have an IGP, so the tests that were run using the HD4000 graphics have nothing to do with it. What the 3770K beat 2011 in was "discrete graphics" performance. The point isn't which CPU is better, because both the 3930K and the 3960X are superior CPUs if you're using software that utilizes their strengths. The issue is that for gaming, the better CPU is a waste of money. A 4 core CPU matched a 6 core CPU and even bested it most of the time. What does that tell you? Its not about the hardware... Games don't take advantage of the extra core/threads. You get roughly the same performance with any of the top CPUs. Even the 2500K was right there with 2011 in the benchmarks that I posted above. The 3930K and 3960X have 12 threads and the 2500K only has 4, yet its right there with the big boys. Facts are facts... you want to waste your money, knock yourself out.
As to who is going to use those cards (meaning the HD4000 graphics), the answer is plenty of people. Nobody knows how well its going to work yet, but in theory Virtu MVP has the ability to change everything in terms of gaming. It will combine your discrete graphics card with the HD4000 and produce very high frame rates. Granted, its not out yet, so nothing can be confirmed, however this is something that won't be available for 2011. IF it works like Virtu claims, then the choice for best gaming performance will be the combination of Z77 and IB by quite a bit. If Virtu MVP is a flop, 1155 will still match 2011 in gaming performance and do so for considerably less money.
When games utilize 6 cores, you'll be right. However, that could still be quite some time yet. 4, 6 and 8 core CPUs have been available for quite a few years now and games still don't max out a 2500K yet. The hardware is miles ahead of the software.
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