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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
    less then six months
  • 14% (30)
    less then a year
  • 24% (49)
    less then three years
  • 13% (27)
    three years+
203 Total Votes  
post #1031 of 4043
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post


The problem with systemd and the *BSDs isn’t that systemd itself isn't cross platform, its that if systemd becomes a dependency of other programs in the way udev or KMS are then we have problems. Not systemds fault but related problems to linux/gnu-only tech means that as of yet gnome 3 is still unavilble for anything except linux. The freebsd gnome team has been working hard but the latest version of gnome is still 2 on any BSD, on any Solaris, and and in fact any other *nix I can think of that doesn't use the linux kernel except for kfreebsd wheezy, which I'm pretty sure can use 3.4

EDIT--

as for jails, they may not do exactly the same on linux but chrooting comes close. It's not as easy to set up nor as easy to get full services and such going, but the same sort of setup can be had

Except systemd is a really good way of dealing with the init system. I rather see it available everywhere. And of course its not perfectly cross-platform (it is, after all, a low level system daemon). But the attitude the project has to other platforms is what I really dislike. Anyway, like I said previously I like most of the ideas behind systemd, there are just a few details I'd like to see done differently. If it bugs me enough, I can always see about getting my hands dirty with init.

I do wish OS kernels weren't ... so ... hard to switch out. It be nice to switch from Linux to a BSD kernel like I can switch between radeon and fglrx in Linux (which was relatively painless for me. I know others have issues with that).

Also, BSD have chroot too. BSD jails are a stronger form of chroot, and are harder to break out of. That's why they are special.
post #1032 of 4043
Chroot exists on all Linux and UNIX like OSs. Jails exists on a good number too (the technology is called 'containers'). Jails: FreeBSD, Zones: Solaris, OpenVZ: Linux.

I actually have a number of OpenVZ containers running on one of my dedicated boxes in some French data centre
Edited by Plan9 - 1/25/13 at 11:29am
post #1033 of 4043
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Originally Posted by MJD View Post

Also, BSD have chroot too. BSD jails are a stronger form of chroot, and are harder to break out of. That's why they are special.
That's not why they're special.

Containers are used as a way to run entire *nix OS's inside of each other. Essentially like virtual machines, but using the same kernel on bare metal rather. So you have networking passthrough and all sorts built into containers.

Where as chroot is just designed to change the root.
post #1034 of 4043
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Originally Posted by MJD View Post

Except systemd is a really good way of dealing with the init system. I rather see it available everywhere. And of course its not perfectly cross-platform (it is, after all, a low level system daemon). But the attitude the project has to other platforms is what I really dislike. Anyway, like I said previously I like most of the ideas behind systemd, there are just a few details I'd like to see done differently. If it bugs me enough, I can always see about getting my hands dirty with init.

I do wish OS kernels weren't ... so ... hard to switch out. It be nice to switch from Linux to a BSD kernel like I can switch between radeon and fglrx in Linux (which was relatively painless for me. I know others have issues with that).

Also, BSD have chroot too. BSD jails are a stronger form of chroot, and are harder to break out of. That's why they are special.

There are different contexts of portability depending on the role of the piece of software. Low level daemons and frameworks are not expected, and aren't designed to be as portable as userland applications. systemd, being a Linux-specific framework, is implemented as such. Other platforms already have their own implementations for managing services.

Granted, the developers are certainly not trying to maintain compatibility. The udev fiasco is a fantastic example, and as previously mentioned by jrl1357, has prevented a decent implementation of GNOME 3 being available on other platforms.
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post #1035 of 4043
Can I get in here? Running Fedora 17 on my secondary pc atm. Using it to do some learning before I go all switcheroo'ing things around on the main PC. Wife would have a fit if I didn't know the answer to the problem >_< lol.
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post #1037 of 4043
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new poll if you didn't notice. Also, tuesday is my birthday and I got raspberry pi!!

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post #1038 of 4043
Ew no gui login manager.

.xinitrc + `startx`

-or-

.xinitrc with auto login

My same feelings towards fancy boot screens. It's a screen you see less than a few seconds, there's no need to make it look pretty and slow down the boot process.
post #1039 of 4043
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new poll if you didn't notice. Also, tuesday is my birthday and I got raspberry pi!!

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Happy up coming birthday. And wouldn't chocolate cake be better?rolleyes.gif
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Happy up coming birthday. And wouldn't chocolate cake be better?rolleyes.gif

Oh you. rolleyes.gif

So how old you going to be jrl? Older than a quarter century or younger?
     
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