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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
    less then six months
  • 14% (30)
    less then a year
  • 24% (49)
    less then three years
  • 13% (27)
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post #1071 of 4043
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I use LightDM too, with the GTK greeter of course, but then again, Xfce doesn't have its own display manager. LightDM works nicely with Xfce.
To be fair, all the login mangers work ok with all the desktop environments and all the login managers basically work the same. So I really don't get why we need half a dozen different ones. But I guess that's the linux way

I know they all work with Xfce, but only GDM and LightDM (with the GTK greeter) looks "at home" with Xfce. GDM pulls a whole Gnome session with it, so LightDM is by my opinion the best choice.
That's what I mean.
post #1072 of 4043
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While, I'm pretty pissed right now. No matter what I do, unless I do a full desktop in my debian install anything with kernel 3.2 has the wrong console res and the massive windows tearing/ holding problem. At this point I'm close to reinstalling. I've tried every trick possible to change it, installing and uninstalling xfce and mate, xorg, changing the grub lines, etc. quite pissed. Using LMDE at the moment with DWM. Since it's pretty close to Debian wheezy I might just give my debian install's partition space to an Arch install, or maybe try Gentoo or OpenBSD. Not happy frown.gif
post #1073 of 4043
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Really? Any distro that ships KDE by default will come with KDM. And distro that ships GNOME by default will likely ship GDM.

Kubuntu comes with LightDM. But then again it seems to be the one everyone talks trash about. Still don't see what the difference is between it and any other prebuilt KDE spin from Fedora or openSUSE or even Mint. Slax, Porteus, and Slackware however seemed a bit more at home with KDE though.
     
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post #1074 of 4043
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Kubuntu comes with LightDM.
Well that's Krapbuntu down to a tee.
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But then again it seems to be the one everyone talks trash about. Still don't see what the difference is between it and any other prebuilt KDE spin from Fedora or openSUSE or even Mint.
Never ran Fedora, openSUSE's KDE builds used to be solid back in the 3.x days, I've only ever ran SuSE headless since though. And Mint is going to be as bad as Ubuntu given it's based on Ubuntu.
post #1075 of 4043
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^like fedoras gnome edition, its kde one is pretty vanella

Ended up doing a fresh install of arch on my debian partition. With my /home not reformatted and a list of every package I had installed, its not taking me long to get everything set up.
post #1076 of 4043
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Well that's Krapbuntu down to a tee.
Never ran Fedora, openSUSE's KDE builds used to be solid back in the 3.x days, I've only ever ran SuSE headless since though. And Mint is going to be as bad as Ubuntu given it's based on Ubuntu.

? Honestly, I still fail to see what it is that makes Kubuntu worse than Fedora KDE or openSUSE KDE. Can someone enlighten me? And since when did the use of LightDM indicate a bad choice? The contempt sometimes is beyond hypocritical. I'm sorry but I do get a little upset when people attack the very core of the great thing about Linux which is the ability to have alternatives.

@Jrl: LOL...never happy with something are we? tongue.gif So do you like one over the other or just get bored?
     
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post #1077 of 4043
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I'm sorry but I do get a little upset when people attack the very core of the great thing about Linux which is the ability to have alternatives.

Having alternatives is a nice thing. Having duplicates is redundant and useless. The purpose of having an alternative is that it does something that the others don't, or does it better, faster or overall more efficiently. Why do we need 400 log in managers that literally all act and do the same job no better than the one before them? tongue.gif
post #1078 of 4043
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Having alternatives is a nice thing. Having duplicates is redundant and useless. The purpose of having an alternative is that it does something that the others don't, or does it better, faster or overall more efficiently. Why do we need 400 log in managers that literally all act and do the same job no better than the one before them? tongue.gif

That gets into the whole why do we need different DEs or anything beyond WMs though. And personally...I'm so glad there is "duplicates" in that we have more than just GTK, Gnome, etc. I love the KDE and Enlightenment setups even if many cross platform/GUI programs get mucked up. But I too do wonder why there isn't some kind of agnosticism about things...then I wonder if that would open the way to some ability to mass attack things....redface.gif
     
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post #1079 of 4043
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That gets into the whole why do we need different DEs or anything beyond WMs though. And personally...I'm so glad there is "duplicates" in that we have more than just GTK, Gnome, etc. I love the KDE and Enlightenment setups even if many cross platform/GUI programs get mucked up. But I too do wonder why there isn't some kind of agnosticism about things...then I wonder if that would open the way to some ability to mass attack things....redface.gif

Different DE's often serve different purposes. Same for Window Managers. There's tiling window managers, floating, dynamic, all kinds that all suit different workflows and different people. Different DE's are the same. KDE behaves vastly different than say Gnome, or XFCE. KDE also has several included programs ( what actually makes it an "environment" ) that do things differently than Gnome, XFCE or others. Different panels that do different things and behave differently.

Some are duplicates yes, but most are alternatives and actually do behave differently and perform different tasks better than others depending on the person using them of course.

Log in managers, all do the same basic function. There's really little in the way that they can be differentiated from one another aside from looks, and even the looks can be altered to look the same in most cases. They log you in, they change sessions, they change DE's/WM's, change users, etc. No single one really does it any better than the other ( how can you really? ), or any faster, or more efficiently. They are all largely duplicates of each other, with all the same basic features and options.

It's like comparing top and htop, both do the same thing as they're the same basic program. But, htop displays the information is a much more efficient way that is more human readable, and easier to actually read. One does it better, in a more efficient way to allow easier use.
Edited by Shrak - 2/8/13 at 7:36pm
post #1080 of 4043
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Having alternatives is a nice thing. Having duplicates is redundant and useless. The purpose of having an alternative is that it does something that the others don't, or does it better, faster or overall more efficiently. Why do we need 400 log in managers that literally all act and do the same job no better than the one before them? tongue.gif

agreed
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