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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
    less then six months
  • 14% (30)
    less then a year
  • 24% (49)
    less then three years
  • 13% (27)
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Well that's Krapbuntu down to a tee.
Never ran Fedora, openSUSE's KDE builds used to be solid back in the 3.x days, I've only ever ran SuSE headless since though. And Mint is going to be as bad as Ubuntu given it's based on Ubuntu.

? Honestly, I still fail to see what it is that makes Kubuntu worse than Fedora KDE or openSUSE KDE. Can someone enlighten me? And since when did the use of LightDM indicate a bad choice? The contempt sometimes is beyond hypocritical. I'm sorry but I do get a little upset when people attack the very core of the great thing about Linux which is the ability to have alternatives.

@Jrl: LOL...never happy with something are we? tongue.gif So do you like one over the other or just get bored?

Well as I said above I amways get the window tearing issue unless I use a full DE for some reason in debian wheezy. Plus I already have LMDE installed and configured, so small loss. Arch can take the debian partition. I don't really like one over the other.

Also, I agree with the others here. Kubuntu is a horrable KDE mix. Not only do you have all the start up services of Ubuntu, no of KDE too. And the way it's configured makes it feel even more bloated then it already is. Using KDE on fedora was pretty much vanilla, same for debian, and opensuse's, although I've inly tried it in a VM, is probably the best and most beautiful out of the box KDE I've seen.
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Well as I said above I amways get the window tearing issue unless I use a full DE for some reason in debian wheezy. Plus I already have LMDE installed and configured, so small loss. Arch can take the debian partition. I don't really like one over the other.

Also, I agree with the others here. Kubuntu is a horrable KDE mix. Not only do you have all the start up services of Ubuntu, no of KDE too. And the way it's configured makes it feel even more bloated then it already is. Using KDE on fedora was pretty much vanilla, same for debian, and opensuse's, although I've inly tried it in a VM, is probably the best and most beautiful out of the box KDE I've seen.

I guess that's why it never bothered me. I didn't dig around. I still have yet to see or feel a difference between Kubuntu or Fedora KDE outside of Fedora KDE always had some weird glitch. Actually, I think that's the whole reason I settled on Kubuntu was I kept having weird issues with openSUSE or Fedora. IDK, maybe I wouldn't have those issues anymore since that was 2 years ago but I'm fine with what I got. Except for that whole KDE and openbox issue.

On a side note....why the hell are GTK programs such pains in my life. Here I am in E17 and I can't seem to control the font size of any GTK programs without installing basically all of GTK. Why does everyone who doesn't like GTK have to bend over to do things its way? mad.gif
     
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I really don't see peoples love for GTK. Never have done.
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I guess that's why it never bothered me. I didn't dig around. I still have yet to see or feel a difference between Kubuntu or Fedora KDE outside of Fedora KDE always had some weird glitch. Actually, I think that's the whole reason I settled on Kubuntu was I kept having weird issues with openSUSE or Fedora. IDK, maybe I wouldn't have those issues anymore since that was 2 years ago but I'm fine with what I got. Except for that whole KDE and openbox issue.

On a side note....why the hell are GTK programs such pains in my life. Here I am in E17 and I can't seem to control the font size of any GTK programs without installing basically all of GTK. Why does everyone who doesn't like GTK have to bend over to do things its way? mad.gif

lxappearance - requires none of Gnome and provides a GUI to control almost every feature of GTK. To even get GTK applications to start you need all of the appropriate GTK version - so I'm presuming you mean Gnome.
    
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I really don't see peoples love for GTK. Never have done.

And what for the love of qt? How is it some how better then gtk? The large percentage of the thing I run often don't have qt replacments. Thus even using kde I'd still be using a ton of gtk, yet for the moment the only qt thing i just must have installed is vlc. So going mainly gtk makes sense for me. Plus I'm not the biggest fan of kde in general, so for the %50 of the time I use a distro with a de already installed, it's going to be a gtk one. When I a distro without, such as the arch install I'm setting up, I find that the vast majority of things I install end up being gtk when I don't think about it. When I have tried all qt I find it hard to find programs that do what I want.

So is there any real (performance) differance? Any reason why some people love qt?

also, as above lxapearance is a great tool. Not as good as the mate/gnome2 theme thingy, but it is a good tool.
post #1087 of 4043
^ Check the aur for packages that people have added kde/qt support too tongue.gif

And lxappearance is for basic theming, not meant to be anymore than that, just makes configuring your gtkrc file easier. I personally just write everything manually via the gtkrc file tongue.gif
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lxappearance - requires none of Gnome and provides a GUI to control almost every feature of GTK. To even get GTK applications to start you need all of the appropriate GTK version - so I'm presuming you mean Gnome.

Strangely I can't get Lxappearance to control some aspects of GTK3 based things (so recent versions of things like Chrome, Audacious, Nvidia-settings) I mean I figured out you have to install a GTK3 theme but font settings don't seem to work at all. And in KDE they had to make a whole new/changed version of their integration setup just to get along with that whole change over. But my whole thing is just wondering/wishing there was some way that programs deferred their display settings to any DE or perhaps they just came with their own display settings that would be setup individually? I'm sure since I don't know anything about Linux GUI programming it's not simple or even possible but I can dream right? redface.gif
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And what for the love of qt? How is it some how better then gtk? The large percentage of the thing I run often don't have qt replacments. Thus even using kde I'd still be using a ton of gtk, yet for the moment the only qt thing i just must have installed is vlc. So going mainly gtk makes sense for me. Plus I'm not the biggest fan of kde in general, so for the %50 of the time I use a distro with a de already installed, it's going to be a gtk one. When I a distro without, such as the arch install I'm setting up, I find that the vast majority of things I install end up being gtk when I don't think about it. When I have tried all qt I find it hard to find programs that do what I want.

So is there any real (performance) differance? Any reason why some people love qt?

also, as above lxapearance is a great tool. Not as good as the mate/gnome2 theme thingy, but it is a good tool.

I didn't mean to open up a flame war. I hate it when my thoughts don't come out right. It's not that GTK is bad or that QT based things are better....it's that I hate how I feel slighted if I choose KDE or E17 and have to deal with some GUI mess ups or aspects of a GTK program not following the rules (IE fonts are wonky or themes go crazy; try a really dark KDE theme and then open a GTK program and bam...they've gone to oldschool high contrast mode for some retarded reason.)

As for performance...IDK why but Chakra with it's anti-GTK/Gnome stance seemed faster than any other KDE distro and I just figured it was because there wasn't any attempt at trying to make them work with the KDE themes or have any GTK stuff floating around. Maybe it was just placebo. As for performance I don't care whether they use GTK or QT I just want the damn programs to have the font settings and theme settings followed.

This also gets me wondering why the hell I still can't get KDE and openbox to stop killing each other's application lists. If I didn't like Linux so much I'd have gone crazy over stuff like this by now. biggrin.gif
     
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I've long thought we should have a central settings daemon for user preferences so all apps can read from that
    
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lxappearance - requires none of Gnome and provides a GUI to control almost every feature of GTK. To even get GTK applications to start you need all of the appropriate GTK version - so I'm presuming you mean Gnome.

Strangely I can't get Lxappearance to control some aspects of GTK3 based things (so recent versions of things like Chrome, Audacious, Nvidia-settings) I mean I figured out you have to install a GTK3 theme but font settings don't seem to work at all. And in KDE they had to make a whole new/changed version of their integration setup just to get along with that whole change over. But my whole thing is just wondering/wishing there was some way that programs deferred their display settings to any DE or perhaps they just came with their own display settings that would be setup individually? I'm sure since I don't know anything about Linux GUI programming it's not simple or even possible but I can dream right? redface.gif
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And what for the love of qt? How is it some how better then gtk? The large percentage of the thing I run often don't have qt replacments. Thus even using kde I'd still be using a ton of gtk, yet for the moment the only qt thing i just must have installed is vlc. So going mainly gtk makes sense for me. Plus I'm not the biggest fan of kde in general, so for the %50 of the time I use a distro with a de already installed, it's going to be a gtk one. When I a distro without, such as the arch install I'm setting up, I find that the vast majority of things I install end up being gtk when I don't think about it. When I have tried all qt I find it hard to find programs that do what I want.

So is there any real (performance) differance? Any reason why some people love qt?

also, as above lxapearance is a great tool. Not as good as the mate/gnome2 theme thingy, but it is a good tool.

I didn't mean to open up a flame war. I hate it when my thoughts don't come out right. It's not that GTK is bad or that QT based things are better....it's that I hate how I feel slighted if I choose KDE or E17 and have to deal with some GUI mess ups or aspects of a GTK program not following the rules (IE fonts are wonky or themes go crazy; try a really dark KDE theme and then open a GTK program and bam...they've gone to oldschool high contrast mode for some retarded reason.)

As for performance...IDK why but Chakra with it's anti-GTK/Gnome stance seemed faster than any other KDE distro and I just figured it was because there wasn't any attempt at trying to make them work with the KDE themes or have any GTK stuff floating around. Maybe it was just placebo. As for performance I don't care whether they use GTK or QT I just want the damn programs to have the font settings and theme settings followed.

This also gets me wondering why the hell I still can't get KDE and openbox to stop killing each other's application lists. If I didn't like Linux so much I'd have gone crazy over stuff like this by now. biggrin.gif

I don't want a flame war either, I don't have anything against qt, just I find plan9s statement (can't understand some people love gtk etc.) weird because as far as I know gtk doesn't have any big disadvantages over qt or visa versa.

@shrak will have to look though those. though, as above someone has still yet to explain if one has any real advantages or disadvantages. The only real thing I really like about qt in that qtconfig likes me set it to minic the gtk theme applaud.gif
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