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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
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  • 14% (30)
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  • 24% (49)
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  • 13% (27)
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post #1151 of 4043
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

They announced Mir not long ago tongue.gif

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzI

also, removed their criticism of wayland, which I thought was funny.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxODY

this can only end badly:
"Canonical has lift the lid on Mir, it's name for the display server they are designing in-house. Mir will replace the X.Org Server on Ubuntu and it's not based upon Wayland or any other existing display server project. "
post #1152 of 4043
Kind of a douchey move if you ask me.
post #1153 of 4043
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Originally Posted by xeekei View Post

Kind of a douchey move if you ask me.

Business as usual for Canonical. It's not the first time Ubuntu has threatened to break compatibility with the rest of the Linux ecosystem.

I give it 5 years before we have: Android/Linux, GNU/Linux and Ubuntu/Linux.
post #1154 of 4043
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Originally Posted by xeekei View Post

Kind of a douchey move if you ask me.

Yeah...as much as a buntu user (because even it's Ncurses install method is stupid easy) I am...I'm starting to worry about what I'm going to do if they go down the road they seem headed. I mean Nvidia didn't seem happy about Wayland and now there's another display server? The future kind of scares me. Hopefully, the community will figure all this out and there won't be too much bad blood.
     
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post #1155 of 4043
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Originally Posted by Plan9 View Post

Business as usual for Canonical. It's not the first time Ubuntu has threatened to break compatibility with the rest of the Linux ecosystem.

I give it 5 years before we have: Android/Linux, GNU/Linux and Ubuntu/Linux.

Sounds about right to me :/
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

Yeah...as much as a buntu user (because even it's Ncurses install method is stupid easy) I am...I'm starting to worry about what I'm going to do if they go down the road they seem headed. I mean Nvidia didn't seem happy about Wayland and now there's another display server? The future kind of scares me. Hopefully, the community will figure all this out and there won't be too much bad blood.

Nvidia may not be happy about Wayland, but X.org definitely needs a replacement for the Linux standard. But with Canonical throwing yet another into the mix, it's just headaches.
post #1156 of 4043
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Kind of a douchey move if you ask me.

Yeah it was, after this semester of college I'll work on installing arch or slackware on my laptop.

or at least a distro that isn't ubuntu based...
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post #1157 of 4043
if it keeps compatibility with Xorg and works with other programs, they can do whatever they want to the distro. The only thing I'd worry about is if Valve uses it, I might have to run Ubuntu or some variant for steam. =( =( I'll probably live, so I'm not too sad.

[side thought] chroot + steam? it's dirty but that would keep me from the butnu if it came to that.
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post #1158 of 4043
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compatibility with xorg is *for the time being* and like wayland's planned support of xorg it basiclly involes using xorg. It a crutch until enough programs work in mir/wayland. don't think for a second that if mir by itself becomes usable that ubuntu won't drop xorg on it's ass. Our best hope is that it's easy to port between x/wayland and mir. as for steam.. I don't know.
post #1159 of 4043
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compatibility with xorg is *for the time being* and like wayland's planned support of xorg it basiclly involes using xorg. It a crutch until enough programs work in mir/wayland. don't think for a second that if mir by itself becomes usable that ubuntu won't drop xorg on it's ass. Our best hope is that it's easy to port between x/wayland and mir. as for steam.. I don't know.

So basically we will move away from Xorg?

Ugh, I was just starting to like Xorg too. They finally started auto-detecting everything but proprietary drivers, which I can live with. But a new switch? =( Linux ceases to give us endless new things to have to work with. Is that good? lol
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post #1160 of 4043
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So basically we will move away from Xorg?

Ugh, I was just starting to like Xorg too. They finally started auto-detecting everything but proprietary drivers, which I can live with. But a new switch? =( Linux ceases to give us endless new things to have to work with. Is that good? lol

The problem is that Xorg is too convoluted now. It's had thousands of hands with different creative direction stirring a giant bucket of code with little or no regard to previous standards or implied or required functionality. Couple that with the massive lack of organized documentation that is still relevant and you have a mess. I love Xorg to death, and I appreciate what the project has done for us. But I think its gotten quite archaic and its probably time to put the puppy down. That said however, I don't see why a revolutionary display system couldn't be legacy compatible with Xorg applications. The API isn't whats screwed up with Xorg, its the rest of it. You could leave Xorg API compatibility in place, and add/build around it to create something great. I doubt that's the direction Canonical went with it, and I doubt Wayland will ever get the support it needs anyway (sad, it looks like a great project)

To answer your first question - eventually. The second, maybe. By that I mean that sometimes there are really great things brought by change and new environments with new applications. And sometimes there are huge losses. For example, a game I helped develop relied heavily on FFMPEG's old API. This leads to a massive breakage when the API changed. The compiled program still works with new FFMPEG; however you can't build it with the new FFMPEG source, leading to a halt in development advancement since some of what we accomplished is no longer possible with the new API due to changes in how it works with other applications. Granted we will eventually work around this hurdle, but with a development staff of only 3, its kind of hard to make progress.
    
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