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post #1191 of 4043
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A supposedly misunderstood improvement on things in Linux that because of a shoddy launch has never recovered. Apparently it's better than sticking with ALSA's default setup because (I haven't checked this fully) ALSA can only support the worse resampler method (src-linear). But I'd like to hear from you about how things sound before installing pulse, after, and after doing these changes. See if it sounds better or worse without it.
     
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I have a highly hacked .asoundrc that I wouldn't trade for the world. Thing took me nearly a year to get the way I wanted.

Have installed pulse before, got through the issues I had ( except some static even while making sure all the dB's were lowered accordingly, even to mute it gave static off... ) all to get the same basic sound ( if not worse from the constant static it gave ) than my alsa setup. Didn't work with my IRC Remote setup, and setting up 5.1 again is ugh... Yeah, I'm sticking with alsa.

Works with my IRC Remote, sound card, and 5.1 system. I'm quite happy with it.
post #1194 of 4043
32bit floating point can mitigate some of the issues with samples clipping and upping the sample rate will give you better sound quality. However these settings are usually there for producers who are layering multiple samples together as you need more room to "breath", i doubt you'll hear any audible improvement for just playing back 16bit 48kHz WAVs - that is unless you had sub-optimal settings to begin with.

As for Pulse Audio, I only use it on my Raspberry Pi to avoid a hardware bug which results in the speakers popping as samples are loaded/unloaded. But for desktop usage I agree with Shrak. Pulse Audio broke more things than it fixed.
post #1195 of 4043
So you guys have what for ALSA's resampler? I'm curious where the settings for things like "bit depth"/default-sample-format and resampler are so that I can see about trying out tweaks on them when I'm in a distro without pulseaudio (or maybe I can change them in one with it?).

I mean is it true that ALSA uses the worst sounding resampler (src-linear)? I by no means am sold on pulseaudio and I'm still scratching my head why I can't seem to strip it out of distros that come with it without basically destroying sound...yet distros that come without it seem just fine. But I figured if I'm stuck with it why not try and make the best out of it? I also seem to have found a lot of people talking about how everyone said the same bad things about ALSA when it replaced esound. Seems people in the Linux world are not immune to being against change. Can't wait to see the drama that happens whenever the heck Xorg dies and we all move to Wayland or Mir. biggrin.gif
     
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post #1196 of 4043
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So you guys have what for ALSA's resampler? I'm curious where the settings for things like "bit depth"/default-sample-format and resampler are so that I can see about trying out tweaks on them when I'm in a distro without pulseaudio (or maybe I can change them in one with it?).

I mean is it true that ALSA uses the worst sounding resampler (src-linear)? I by no means am sold on pulseaudio and I'm still scratching my head why I can't seem to strip it out of distros that come with it without basically destroying sound...yet distros that come without it seem just fine. But I figured if I'm stuck with it why not try and make the best out of it? I also seem to have found a lot of people talking about how everyone said the same bad things about ALSA when it replaced esound. Seems people in the Linux world are not immune to being against change. Can't wait to see the drama that happens whenever the heck Xorg dies and we all move to Wayland or Mir. biggrin.gif

sometimes there's very good reasons to be against some changes. If the change comes from Lennart Poettering or Kay Sievers (pulseaudio, systemd, and udev) everybody run. While I doubt x really needs full replacing, I don't have a problem with wayland- but mir, I have a big problem with.

as for pulseaudio, I've had likewise problems... Everytime I try to rip it out of a distro I end up having topurge any thing sound/alsa based and start again. just finished getting it out of my LMDE install, never used it in my arch install, and will always be using OSS when freebsd is fully up and running
post #1197 of 4043
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sometimes there's very good reasons to be against some changes. If the change comes from Lennart Poettering or Kay Sievers (pulseaudio, systemd, and udev) everybody run. While I doubt x really needs full replacing, I don't have a problem with wayland- but mir, I have a big problem with.

as for pulseaudio, I've had likewise problems... Everytime I try to rip it out of a distro I end up having topurge any thing sound/alsa based and start again. just finished getting it out of my LMDE install, never used it in my arch install, and will always be using OSS when freebsd is fully up and running

Can you link to something explaining OSS and it's pros and cons? I still can't understand why the heck there is so much contention and so much "complexity" in the sound server area of Linux.
     
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Can you link to something explaining OSS and it's pros and cons? I still can't understand why the heck there is so much contention and so much "complexity" in the sound server area of Linux.

This has a basic breakdown of OSS4 and a general comparison to ALSA, although it's not very comprehensive. You miight also find this site helpful, but it mostly just lists features and has troubleshooting information. If you want a breakdown of specifics, do a google search for "OSS4 vs ALSA" or "OSS4 vs pulseaudio".
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This has a basic breakdown of OSS4 and a general comparison to ALSA, although it's not very comprehensive. You miight also find this site helpful, but it mostly just lists features and has troubleshooting information. If you want a breakdown of specifics, do a google search for "OSS4 vs ALSA" or "OSS4 vs pulseaudio".

Thanks guys...wow there is just so much with sound it's insane. OSS, ALSA, JACK, Pulse, what else? Yeesh...I think if I have time I might try out the others but since I finally got pulse "fixed" I'm not going to screw with it. Sure seems like there's a lot of redunancy and equivalent features between all of these things.
     
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was doing some reading on wayland.. it turns out weston is completely dependent on the Linux kernel due to udev (again, really starting to dislike the two devs mentioned in my last post) but wayland itself, while Linux centric as of now is in the process of being ported to freebsd (and by extension easier to port for other projects) from what I can tell aside from weston (which won't be a problem once kwin becomes more stable on wayland) the two ties to Linux are evdev and kms. patches that would remove total dependency on evdev and move the evdev features needed to something else in freebsd (as far as I can tell) started in the last month. the wayland seems to be placing the kms problem on the freebsd devs, saying that its up to them to expend kms support from just intel gpus (new in kernel 9.1) to amd and nvidia gpus as well. I think support for wayland on non-linux *nix distro is likely to be a few years behind Linux support, but as long as it comes befores x dies, that's good.

I was also looing though the arch wiki and not only has it been moved to the official repos (I had to install it from AUR when I tried it a few months ago) but gtk(3) support now works and so does qt4(compiled with some option) and qt5 (as it is) I'm not sure how that is in terms of applications, but I'm going to see if I can get some thing usable around wayland on my arch install thumb.gif
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