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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
    less then six months
  • 14% (30)
    less then a year
  • 24% (49)
    less then three years
  • 13% (27)
    three years+
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post #1221 of 4043
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As for the drivers point. The reason ATI & Nvidia haven't open sourced their drivers is because they're worried it might leak the design of their chipsets. They don't care about whether people see the source of the drivers themselves as their sales comes from the hardware and the performance largely come from the hardware. But if competitors can glean information about the hardware architecture from reading the source code; well that has a potential to directly impact their hardware sales.

I'm sure I've asked this before...but if you're technically protected by patent and copyright what can the competition do with that information without being sued? That's the part that I'm still trying to figure out....if your source is open to inspection and everyone knows who it came from then how can someone steal your work without repercussions?
     
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it's "official", Ubuntu GNOME is called that, and the first iso's drop at the end of the month.
post #1223 of 4043
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I'm sure I've asked this before...but if you're technically protected by patent and copyright what can the competition do with that information without being sued? That's the part that I'm still trying to figure out....if your source is open to inspection and everyone knows who it came from then how can someone steal your work without repercussions?

If they can view the code they can see how it's done, and simply rewrite their own copy to do the same thing in a slightly different manor. Source code wouldn't be the same, so good luck taking it to court.
post #1224 of 4043
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If they can view the code they can see how it's done, and simply rewrite their own copy to do the same thing in a slightly different manor. Source code wouldn't be the same, so good luck taking it to court.

Ah...and we can't make a law against "remaking the same thing"? Basically, I wish there was some way we could prevent people from what you mentioned by giving them an incentive to actually use what someone else has made to do something new and thus get that cycle of creative destruction going in high gear. Damn humans with their greed. mad.gif

Now if only we could come up with a way to deter that reduplication of effort for financial gain....thinking.gif
     
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post #1225 of 4043
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Ah...and we can't make a law against "remaking the same thing"?

You would destroy basically all of Linux at that point. tongue.gif
post #1226 of 4043
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If they can view the code they can see how it's done, and simply rewrite their own copy to do the same thing in a slightly different manor. Source code wouldn't be the same, so good luck taking it to court.

Except that's exactly the way how software patents work these days. mad.gif
post #1227 of 4043
First, after reading a nice little debate over wayland/mir on google+, i changed my mind slightly and i can see now how it can be harmful for linux. What i see as main problem is that ubuntu has a big user base, and a lot of business finds that attractive for venturing into linux. Thus even if mir proves inferior to wayland, ubuntu still has upper hand in this one, and will still be able to push wayland into secondary position. Also, there is the problem with licensing in fact that ubuntu can make commercial variants of it's free software, but it's quite minor since wayland comes with permissive enough licence that you can fork a commercial instance of it whenever you wish.
    
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^thats not really thebiggest problem. Which one is better? Doesn't matter. Both look fine function wise. The point is that theres now 2 post-x contenders, and that means devs are going to be expected to support both, or as they will be somewhat compatible with xorg, stick with x, which defeats the whole point of replacing x.

Beyond that, what if people really do start using mir? Will mir be packaged for other linux distros? We've seen ubuntu make code so contorted that even when its open source, few can actually use it outside of ubuntu (cough *unity* cough) even if fedora and debian and arch and suse get it working, what about BSD and Solaris/Indiana? Odds are it will be some messed up udev/systemd web of cross system depends. This has real potential to fragment the Unix/like desktop into a horrible mess in a few years.
post #1229 of 4043
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^thats not really thebiggest problem. Which one is better? Doesn't matter. Both look fine function wise. The point is that theres now 2 post-x contenders, and that means devs are going to be expected to support both, or as they will be somewhat compatible with xorg, stick with x, which defeats the whole point of replacing x.

Beyond that, what if people really do start using mir? Will mir be packaged for other linux distros? We've seen ubuntu make code so contorted that even when its open source, few can actually use it outside of ubuntu (cough *unity* cough) even if fedora and debian and arch and suse get it working, what about BSD and Solaris/Indiana? Odds are it will be some messed up udev/systemd web of cross system depends. This has real potential to fragment the Unix/like desktop into a horrible mess in a few years.

The way I see it, let the developers just develop for Wayland, and if Ubuntu really wants to use their own display server, modify their packages for Mir instead of Wayland.

Who knows, maybe Mir and Wayland won't be -as- different to each other as they will from X and a compatibility layer would be relatively easy... you never know.

And yeah, it took forever for us to get Unity to work on Arch. If Ubuntu does the same with Mir, then they'll definitely have issues with devs and other distro's.
post #1230 of 4043
GNOME just announced their Shell on Wayland for beta testing in September 2013, and stable by April 2014. The Wayland team's speeding up. wink.gif
It isn't official yet, but I don't have any doubt.
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