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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
    less then six months
  • 14% (30)
    less then a year
  • 24% (49)
    less then three years
  • 13% (27)
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post #1391 of 4043
I've used Ubuntu since 8.10 but unity ruined it for me so I tried some and ended up with lubuntu. Switched motherboards recently and had alot of trouble dual booting with windows 7 and it because of uefi also for some reason the 3.8.x kernel didn't work right with nvidia drivers so I used the 3.9.x ones. Stuff just hasn't been right since. I'm fine with tweaking as long as isn't a daily type thing to keep it stable.
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post #1392 of 4043
More mir news:
13.10: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/27/mir-plans-in-13-10/
kubuntu: https://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/26/kubuntu-wont-be-switching-mir-or-xmir
post #1393 of 4043
I don't know what it is...maybe it's me but the tone lately in things I've read seem to have suddenly turned sour when discussing Wayland or Mir. I mean...it seems like no one wants them and I don't get it...aren't they supposed to fix the now "unfixable" xorg? And what's wrong with the SurfaceFlinger or similar display manager?

UPDATE: And what happens if Canonical gets it's way with Mir getting driver support from Nvidia and AMD...do you think those two will make 2 sets of drivers just to support the 2 display servers? Or is this Canonical's plan to get Mir user share by having the only display server after xorg that will have proprietary (aka-gaming/video) driver support?
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post #1394 of 4043
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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

I don't know what it is...maybe it's me but the tone lately in things I've read seem to have suddenly turned sour when discussing Wayland or Mir. I mean...it seems like no one wants them and I don't get it...aren't they supposed to fix the now "unfixable" xorg? And what's wrong with the SurfaceFlinger or similar display manager?

UPDATE: And what happens if Canonical gets it's way with Mir getting driver support from Nvidia and AMD...do you think those two will make 2 sets of drivers just to support the 2 display servers? Or is this Canonical's plan to get Mir user share by having the only display server after xorg that will have proprietary (aka-gaming/video) driver support?

It's sour because Canonical had to make it even more fragmented by making Mir. Here we are now, Wayland that's been the supposed X.org replacement since forever, and all of a sudden one of the largest distributions comes out and says, they're doing it wrong, we'll do it our way. The KDE / Qt guys were iffy on supporting both, and I'm sure a lot of projects are.

Then the other problem is, Mir likely won't be the de facto standard across the board ( like the more neutral Wayland could be ) since Ubuntu is likely going to do what they do best and tie it in so deep with their own system that it'll make porting it to others distributions an absolute pain much like all their current projects have been. Which leaves Wayland and the community in a weird position if it isn't fully supported like we all know Mir will be since Canonical has deep enough pockets to persuade the right people.
post #1395 of 4043
+1 rep for that shrak

If only canonical put all there money towards stuff like ubuntu TV rather than Mir
post #1396 of 4043
I agree, they have some nice projects like the Phone and TV that are great looking projects and would be much better off with some more funding.

The only way I'll change my stance on Mir vs Wayland is if Ubuntu/Canonical comes out and says it will be fully compatible with every distribution out there much like X.org is and how Wayland will be. That's the only way it's not going to hurt the Linux community as much, but my only doubt in that matter is that most of the more recent projects of theirs have been tied into Ubuntu so deeply and requires Ubuntu specific packages and specific versions of packages and it's taken a good amount of time for Arch, Gentoo and even Debian to get proper packages / installers made for things like Unity and Steam.

I didn't have such a big deal with them making Unity because... it's just another desktop environment of which we have a million of so one more isn't going to hurt. It's neither vital to Ubuntu or the Linux community as a whole as it's an optional choice a user can make to have or not have. A display server is a pretty critical component to every distribution out there running a GUI though and we really don't need fragmentation in that specific field, that will hurt the Linux community in the end. This is one things Ubuntu/Canonical should have just left alone, and simply supported Wayland and asked for them to implement certain features in or even given a couple of their Mir devs to the Wayland team and let them work together.
post #1397 of 4043
So do you guys think this will turn into another pulseaudio scenario or worse? If Nvidia and AMD go Mir only...will the community move over or will there be some effort to stick with Xorg? Considering Canonical shows of other DEs working with xMir is the push back from the Kubuntu and other communities more to do with philosophical differences or are there some features that Wayland would have offered that are worth fighting for?
     
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post #1398 of 4043
Somewhat to the discussion, decided to check phoronix today and Mir is the first thing I saw lol.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NzQ
Quote:
More Mir news today besides the surprise announcement that Canonical is now planning to use the Mir Display Server by default in Ubuntu 13.10, there's some other interesting news involving Mir benchmarking, the Mir 0.0.5 release, and Kubuntu avoiding Mir/XMir and reaffirming their commitment to X.Org and Wayland.

With Mir likely soon entering the Ubuntu 13.10 "Saucy Salamander" repository, a new version of Mir was tagged this morning in the project's Bazaar repository. Mir 0.0.5 incorporates all of the latest work within the Mir repository, particularly over the past several weeks.

Meanwhile, the Kubuntu project announced they will not be switching to Mir/XMir. The KDE-based Ubuntu spin intends to stick with X.Org and then switch over to Wayland when the upstream support is ready. "We'll be staying with X on the images for our 13.10 release now in development and the 14.04LTS release next year. After that we hope to switch to Wayland which is what KDE and every other Linux distro hopes to do."

Lastly, Canonical is in communication with me now about Mir benchmarking. Mir benchmarks will likely be coming on Phoronix soon.

And http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NzM
Canonical Will Now Ship Mir By Default In Ubuntu 13.10

and oh look, wasting more money on more mir devs http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NjM
Edited by Shrak - 6/27/13 at 5:39pm
post #1399 of 4043
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I agree, they have some nice projects like the Phone and TV that are great looking projects and would be much better off with some more funding.

The only way I'll change my stance on Mir vs Wayland is if Ubuntu/Canonical comes out and says it will be fully compatible with every distribution out there much like X.org is and how Wayland will be. That's the only way it's not going to hurt the Linux community as much, but my only doubt in that matter is that most of the more recent projects of theirs have been tied into Ubuntu so deeply and requires Ubuntu specific packages and specific versions of packages and it's taken a good amount of time for Arch, Gentoo and even Debian to get proper packages / installers made for things like Unity and Steam.

I didn't have such a big deal with them making Unity because... it's just another desktop environment of which we have a million of so one more isn't going to hurt. It's neither vital to Ubuntu or the Linux community as a whole as it's an optional choice a user can make to have or not have. A display server is a pretty critical component to every distribution out there running a GUI though and we really don't need fragmentation in that specific field, that will hurt the Linux community in the end. This is one things Ubuntu/Canonical should have just left alone, and simply supported Wayland and asked for them to implement certain features in or even given a couple of their Mir devs to the Wayland team and let them work together.

I won't change my stance on Mir even if it supports everything from Ubuntu to ObscureBSD; the fragmentation, at least for a little while, is going to be worse with Mir no matter how non-distro specific it is. Also, since supprting x is easiest way to support all three, it could delay devs from porting to the newer display servers and just drag the whole thing out.
post #1400 of 4043
The best display server will be widely used, be it Mir or Wayland. Drivers will be written for it, and that will be what I use. I don't care where it came from or why it was created so long as it does what it is supposed to do and does it well. As long as the source is released, I don't see how more software could be a bad thing.
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