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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
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  • 23% (47)
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  • 14% (30)
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  • 24% (49)
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  • 13% (27)
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post #1681 of 4043
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Originally Posted by benpack101 View Post

So I have been running Fedora for about a year now. I have been having some issues but I am wanting to do a fresh install nonetheless. I am thinking about trying something else, perhaps Debian? I don't really have time for an Arch or gentoo setup (although that would be nice). I mainly use this laptop to code but I will be using it this weekend to do a little project with wireshark, GNU radio, and airprobe (completely within legal bounds) but I need it fully functional for everyday use (so not Kali). Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Ahh, in my reading I ran across a post saying that Debian pushes out updates less frequently than Fedora, I'm happy with a more up to date system though, thoughts?

if you go debian, run the "testing" version. It's still fairly stable and will receive very regular updates.
Is there any particular DE you want?

Or you could go with ubuntu (kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, etc.) [Now i wait for sooooooooooooooo much hate]
post #1682 of 4043
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Originally Posted by Noskcaj View Post

if you go debian, run the "testing" version. It's still fairly stable and will receive very regular updates.
Is there any particular DE you want?

Or you could go with ubuntu (kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, etc.) [Now i wait for sooooooooooooooo much hate]
My complaints were when you'd dropped Ubuntu into a discussion where it had no relevance. But since Ubuntu is (or at least was) based on Debian Testing, I think your recommendation is fair enough (though I personally can't see benpack101 switching to Ubuntu given the other distros he's used and been discussing - but that's another issue entirely)

@Benpack101,
There's always ArchBang, if you wanted a ready made Arch system. I've not used it myself but I think rookie (or one of the other regulars who's name is suffixed with 4 numbers) does.
post #1683 of 4043
Manjaro uses it's own repos where archbang uses the Arch repos so archbang will be more up to date .


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I tried Archbang a while back and if was about as difficult to setup as a buntu mini iso...IE pretty simple and maybe a 5-15minute additional time increase...however it really seems like the Arch people don't like anyone using it as an actual installed desktop version though I may have just assumed that. I ran into some problem because I think I was using it around the whole systemd change over. It was nice and really made me wonder why no one can just get an pure Arch with a friendlier interface and a little of the basics like networking setup for you so you can get to customizing the parts I think the majority of users care about. Just don't forget to add in the AUR or you're going to find things fairly barren when you go looking for some things...but if you used Fedora then you should be familiar with having to fetch an outside thing to add more.

On a similar note...how many people actually custom compile things these days (outside of the AMD FX Gentoo people)? I've been thinking about messing with it (yes even in a buntu) as it's almost transcoding season for me. By the way...has there ever been an attempt at making a distro that automatically probed hardware, loaded the drivers for that hardware, and then compiled accordingly thus removing any unnecessary modules and milking out the best performance for the hardware at hand...all without the user having to do this? I'm sure this sounds stupid but I'm asking.
     
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post #1685 of 4043
I wrote this guide not too long ago on installing Arch on UEFI hardware. Works pretty well, relatively easy, and doesn't take more than 30-40 minutes, even if you have no idea what you're doing. For anyone considering Manjaro, ArchBang, or any other fork of Arch, why not go ahead and give a vanilla Arch installation a shot?

If you find any issues/problems/factual inaccuracies in the guide, please let me know!
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post #1686 of 4043
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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

I tried Archbang a while back and if was about as difficult to setup as a buntu mini iso...IE pretty simple and maybe a 5-15minute additional time increase...however it really seems like the Arch people don't like anyone using it as an actual installed desktop version though I may have just assumed that.
It wouldn't surprise me. Some of the Arch fanboys are pretty fickle. It's one of the reasons I rarely chat on their IRC channel.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

On a similar note...how many people actually custom compile things these days (outside of the AMD FX Gentoo people)?
I do with my home server (FreeBSD) and I'm constantly compiling stuff at work (though that's not so much through choice). But generally I prefer binary repos these days - with Arch AUR being the main exception (however it integrates so well into pacman that sometimes you forget that most of the stuff on there is source)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

By the way...has there ever been an attempt at making a distro that automatically probed hardware, loaded the drivers for that hardware, and then compiled accordingly thus removing any unnecessary modules and milking out the best performance for the hardware at hand...all without the user having to do this? I'm sure this sounds stupid but I'm asking.
Generally the source based distros prefer to give the user more control and the ones that probe tend to throw everything in to enable users to swap hardware around easily. So a lot of people consider those two ideas as being conflicting. However I do think you've got a very interesting idea there.
Edited by Plan9 - 11/3/13 at 8:49am
post #1687 of 4043
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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

I tried Archbang a while back and if was about as difficult to setup as a buntu mini iso...IE pretty simple and maybe a 5-15minute additional time increase...however it really seems like the Arch people don't like anyone using it as an actual installed desktop version though I may have just assumed that. I ran into some problem because I think I was using it around the whole systemd change over. It was nice and really made me wonder why no one can just get an pure Arch with a friendlier interface and a little of the basics like networking setup for you so you can get to customizing the parts I think the majority of users care about. Just don't forget to add in the AUR or you're going to find things fairly barren when you go looking for some things...but if you used Fedora then you should be familiar with having to fetch an outside thing to add more.

On a similar note...how many people actually custom compile things these days (outside of the AMD FX Gentoo people)? I've been thinking about messing with it (yes even in a buntu) as it's almost transcoding season for me. By the way...has there ever been an attempt at making a distro that automatically probed hardware, loaded the drivers for that hardware, and then compiled accordingly thus removing any unnecessary modules and milking out the best performance for the hardware at hand...all without the user having to do this? I'm sure this sounds stupid but I'm asking.

The Arch “community” can be a difficult they tend to over estimate the skills required to install that system and put their noses in the air a bit too much if I can Install it any one can. The problem is there are some pretty smart people on the Arch forum you just have to wade through a whole swamp of ego to get there.
 
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post #1688 of 4043
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Originally Posted by Plan9 View Post

It wouldn't surprise me. Some of the Arch fanboys are pretty fickle. It's one of the reasons I rarely chat on their IRC channel.
I do with my home server (FreeBSD) and I'm constantly compiling stuff at work (though that's not so much through choice). But generally I prefer binary repos these days - with Arch AUR being the main exception (however it integrates so well into pacman that sometimes you forget that most of the stuff on there is source)
Generally the source based distros prefer to give the user more control and the ones that probe tend to throw everything in to enable users to swap hardware around easily. So a lot of people consider those two ideas as being conflicting. However I do think you've got a very interesting idea there.

Yeah I forgot the AUR is source to compile.

The whole basis of my idea is kind of for a SaaS business. So please no one take it from me yet...redface.gif
     
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Got the first major problem with crunch bang...

My buddy powered off the netbook by holding down the power button and came back up with "target system does not have requested /sbin/init/"

He proceeded to ask if there was a master login (I guess he means root) and I said that to the best of my knowledge, there is just his account that I made him when I installed #!.

He then, I guess attempted to type in his account name and it returned with "no init found try passing init = boot arg" (sic).

I'm like deer in the headlights here.
    
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Got the first major problem with crunch bang...

My buddy powered off the netbook by holding down the power button and came back up with "target system does not have requested /sbin/init/"

He proceeded to ask if there was a master login (I guess he means root) and I said that to the best of my knowledge, there is just his account that I made him when I installed #!.

He then, I guess attempted to type in his account name and it returned with "no init found try passing init = boot arg" (sic).

I'm like deer in the headlights here.

Before making any other changes, stick in a live CD and fsck the root partition.
Then cellotape some plastic over the power button and threaten to cut his fingers off if he removes the tape
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