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post #2071 of 4043
I don't care whether it's new or not. All that matters to me, and I would have thought you, is that text streams are a fundamental part of what makes Unix, Unix, and that includes, or did, Linux. Anybody breaking with that fundamental precept risks breaking what Unix is and what makes it great. Here's an excerpt from Linus
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Originally Posted by LinusTorvalds, 2012 
Stop this crazy. FIX UDEV ALREADY, DAMMIT.

Who maintains udev these days? Is it Lennart/Kai, as part of systemd?

Lennart/Kai, fix the udev regression already. Lennart was the one who
brought up kernel ABI regressions at some conference, and if you now
you have the *gall* to break udev in an incompatible manner that
requires basically impossible kernel changes for the kernel to "fix"
the udev interface, I don't know what to say.

"Two-faced lying weasel" would be the most polite thing I could say.
But it almost certainly will involve a lot of cursing.

and they are RedHat's fair-haired boys. I'm pretty sure the fellas at RedHat know how to walk a fine line. It would be crazy for them to completely alienate themselves from the community. Like most diplomacy between powers, it's a little two-faced. They're not so stupid to come out and state, "Yes, we are planning to takeover the bulk of Linux by setting proprietary standards little by little, until almost everyone must pay us for the privilege of licking our boots....errr hat." Everyone always tells the Tom Cat "the operation will make you happier".
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So excited. After I replace the fan in my laptop that I broke (not sure how - but it doesn't spin up now :-( Voltage still gets to it, it just doesn't work.) I will be investing gratuitous amounts of time into attempting to force XEN to play nice with VT-d and nVidia Optimus. I have two potential approaches: Kill the X server, and unload the intel driver module from the kernel in a script, and then start the VM in the same script; passing through both the intel chip and the nvidia chip and then installing both drivers in Windows. (which would be somewhat cumbersome, but more likely to work) OR much less likely to work - just pass the nvidia GPU through, and render things on the nvidia chip. A third somewhat reasonable proposition is to add an additional virtual networking device with a huge bandwidth, and use it for an uncompressed VNC type session with the Windows guest (this should work regardless of the outcome of the other two, the only potential issue is resource overhead; I'm not sure how much data I can pipe through a virtual i/o device like this, I'm guessing somewhere in the GB/s range, which should be sufficient for uncompressed 1366x768. Latency shouldn't be an issue, but other resource utilization may be. The third option is a relatively sure-bet, but I have my doubts on it as well.
    
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post #2073 of 4043
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I don't care whether it's new or not. All that matters to me, and I would have thought you, is that text streams are a fundamental part of what makes Unix, Unix, and that includes, or did, Linux. Anybody breaking with that fundamental precept risks breaking what Unix is and what makes it great. Here's an excerpt from Linus

You can still use text streams with binary logs, you just couldn't cat those logs directly if you wanted to parse them. But there will be binary equivalents to cat those logs. Then you can tail and whatnot as usual. It's no different to working with databases, intrusion detection logs, monitoring network activity (eg using tcpdump) and what not. I mean if you're half the sysadmin you claim to be, you should already be used to working with binary data in the Linux command line.

What's more, it's file streams that's the fundamental part of UNIX - not text streams. If you ever piped dd into gzip (for example) then you'd realise that binary logs are not a deal breaker (and that's ignoring all the other examples I listed above).

However all this is moot because you don't even need to use the binary logs with systemd in the first place. I'm running systemd on a few devices and they all are running syslog-ng which, as you should know, writes text logs.

Lastly, and I shouldn't have to say this because I've made my feelings abundantly clear in the past: I don't like systemd, let me repeat, I DO NOT LIKE systemd!!!. The only reason I defend it is because I'm sick of people like yourself bleating misinformation. So if you want to be a hater, than that's fine. But please save it for somewhere else as I don't want to read your lectures about how evil something is when the sum of your knowledge on this subject is clearly limited to rumours.
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and they are RedHat's fair-haired boys. I'm pretty sure the fellas at RedHat know how to walk a fine line. It would be crazy for them to completely alienate themselves from the community. Like most diplomacy between powers, it's a little two-faced. They're not so stupid to come out and state, "Yes, we are planning to takeover the bulk of Linux by setting proprietary standards little by little, until almost everyone must pay us for the privilege of licking our boots....errr hat." Everyone always tells the Tom Cat "the operation will make you happier".
I suppose you also think the moon landings were faked. Honestly, the more you post in this thread, the more paranoid and ignorant you come across.

I happen to know some people who have worked at Redhat, they constantly go on about how the company really cared for the Linux community and was dedicated to giving back to it.

The ironic thing is keep talking about Redhat's agendas while plucking these little "factoids" out of your arse as and when you need to reinforce your own agenda. I really don't think that Redhat has some secret plans against you and the rest of the FOSS community; to quote Occam's Razor, the simpler explanation is just that companies sometimes make bad decisions and big companies' bad decisions are more likely to impact the average user than smaller companies that make bad decisions. However the notion of companies making mistakes is far less romantic than your arguments of an impending war and how we need to join the rebel alliance before the Empire strikes us all down. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Plan9 - 2/7/14 at 4:02am
post #2074 of 4043
So, your saying Linus isn't a reputable source? That quoting him is akin to donning a tin foil hat?

Or are you saying that corporations never attempt to corner markets, especially when they have to explain to stockholders why they lost almost 20% market share to Debian and Ubuntu? and even though there is a long history of companies doing business together (ie MS & IBM, MS & Apple) all the while one was screwing the other, I'm crazy for imagining that RedHat might consider systemd as leverage?

Romantic? No. Mundane really, even if occasionally entertaining.
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@Xaero252 - I hope you continue to post your progress. Getting multiple items of hardware that do similar things can be difficult, let alone when they are required to "hand off" to one another. I don't use laptops much so I'm not up to speed on Optimus, Bumblebee(d) etc. Good Fortune.
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post #2076 of 4043
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So, your saying Linus isn't a reputable source? That quoting him is akin to donning a tin foil hat?
The Linus quote wasn't related to any points you were making. It was just a rant about how Lennart broke udev.
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Originally Posted by enorbet2 View Post

Or are you saying that corporations never attempt to corner markets, especially when they have to explain to stockholders why they lost almost 20% market share to Debian and Ubuntu? and even though there is a long history of companies doing business together (ie MS & IBM, MS & Apple) all the while one was screwing the other, I'm crazy for imagining that RedHat might consider systemd as leverage?

Romantic? No. Mundane really, even if occasionally entertaining.
So what you're basically saying is your imagination is a more trustworthy source of information than the personal accounts those who actually work for Redhat? rolleyes.gif
post #2077 of 4043
Drama in the Linux section, everyone run! wheee.gif

+1 interwebs to me for starting it? biggrin.gif
post #2078 of 4043
I see no drama just Plan9 talking to himself biggrin.gif
 
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post #2079 of 4043
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I see no drama just Plan9 talking to himself biggrin.gif

Hey now, compared to a normal boring day here in the Linux section, things are getting pretty steamy.
post #2080 of 4043
The Linux section does get a touch boring but because I'm not mild of temper I only see plan9
 
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