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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
    less then six months
  • 14% (30)
    less then a year
  • 24% (49)
    less then three years
  • 13% (27)
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post #2191 of 4043
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Originally Posted by enorbet2 View Post

Greetings and welcome to OCN. There is no problem starting out with asking for help but you should understand that more information is needed to even begin to assist you. Why are you having to compile an ethernet driver? I'm confident you didn't have to do so to install and use Slack. What ethernet chip is it that is not supported in the kernel already? Also it would be easier if you started a new thread with your specific issue as the title. it will get more specific readings and posts.

Hey smile.gif I'll create a new thread if I can't get an aswer here, in the meantime here's a bit more infos.

What I previously said was wrong, however I still have an issue (nothing serious I think, but I still have some issues understanding how linux and network configuration go together).
My driver is there (e1000e), I clearly see it as active using lsmod, but I can't get eth0 to go up, after using modprobe to activate the driver there is absolutely no sign that my network card is beeing recognized.

The motherboard is the GA Z87X OC however I don't think that matters, as far as I know e1000e is pretty common and there shouldn't be any issues with it.
Any ideas ?
post #2192 of 4043
@15130
If your base module, e1000e is loading but you still have no ethX device ( "dmesg | grep e1000e" and/or "dmesg | grep eth0" ) then you may lack a firmware blob in Backtrack required by e1000e. The first command above should show you what it is requesting. You can also use "modinfo e1000e to see it's "depends". What kernel are you using?
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None of the dmesg gives anything, "dmesg | grep e1000e" only send back a few infos on the module, no errors, and "dmesg | grep eth0" gives absolutely nothing (no error message either), which I think is a bit weird considering I keep using /etc/init.d/networking restart.

I'm running kernel 2.6.38
post #2194 of 4043
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Originally Posted by enorbet2 View Post

Do you ever have a good day?

Funny how you always fall back to the same "you're just having a bad day" argument whenever I debunk you're misinformation. tongue.gif My comments aren't because of a mood nor personal vendettas (as you've also accused me of), it's just correcting some mistakes you've posted. You've completely gotten the wrong end of the stick with regards to Windows internals.

re the VMS comment: fair enough, I can see why you launched into the history lesson now. Yes you're right that NT was the fork from OS/2 after MS and IBM's failed partnership, but that wasn't the point I was trying to raise. Nt's heritage and design belongs as much to VMS as it's lineage is from OS/2 (not read this article myself, but a glance through it seems to discuss this point in detail: http://windowsitpro.com/windows-client/windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story). And since the topic was about kernel and subsystem design, it seemed more apt to reference VMS (by design) as opposed to IBM OS/2 (by partnership).

Anyway, I don't want to fight with you as you have posted a lot of other stuff in the last few days which I've fully agreed with and respected you for. smile.gif
Edited by Plan9 - 2/25/14 at 4:44am
post #2195 of 4043
Well maybe this one won't devolve into another impasse. We shall see if we can overcome our language barriers.
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Funny how you always fall back to the same "you're just having a bad day" argument whenever I debunk you're misinformation. tongue.gif My comments aren't because of a mood nor personal vendettas (as you've also accused me of), it's just correcting some mistakes you've posted. You've completely gotten the wrong end of the stick with regards to Windows internals.

Actually it was you that said you were having a bad day after I accused you of being particularly nitpicking one day as if you were dredging to find something to fight about. Admittedly I have thrown that back at you when that seems to recur.

Let me try to make this clear - I have no use for bluff (as you accused of me) because that would assume my ego needs fortification from people I only know of online. That's just immature, absurd, and pathetic. Hopefully I only ever delve into "absurd" of those three with any kind of regularity smile.gif
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re the VMS comment: fair enough, I can see why you launched into the history lesson now. Yes you're right that NT was the fork from OS/2 after MS and IBM's failed partnership, but that wasn't the point I was trying to raise. Nt's heritage and design belongs as much to VMS as it's lineage is from OS/2 (not read this article myself, but a glance through it seems to discuss this point in detail: http://windowsitpro.com/windows-client/windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story). And since the topic was about kernel and subsystem design, it seemed more apt to reference VMS (by design) as opposed to IBM OS/2 (by partnership).

But you see you didn't raise the point, I did. I answered Rookie's musings on "niceness" and even started it off by admitting that deeper understanding of Windows has gone downhill over the years because I just don't use it. For a time I depended on fixing it a lot in my business but thankfully those days are over, ending mostly with XP. It was not my intent to get deeply into a matter that I care almost nothing for ie: Windows.

In any case the reason for bringing up OS/2 instead of VMS (even though that is perfectly valid) is that the major break between IBM and Microsoft came over scheduling and access priority, specifically Microsoft wanted, as I said, some apps to have direct access to hardware, circumventing the whole preemptive scheme protecting the system as a whole. Now that I've read it back I see that I must apologize for not stating that the apps in question were primarily games and other multimedia applications.

There were certainly more differences underlying that one, but that's the first one that actually "came up for dinner". The most basic difference was that IBM was all business and cared little for games or even Windows-style desktops. OS/2 was being used in hospitals, ATMs (the banking kind) air traffic control and LOTS of banks. Downtime, let alone BSODs, were unthinkable.

Microsoft was much more committed to the personal and SOHO desktop and all about glitz and glamor. This shaped their priorities and are reflected in scheduling.

This is why I thought we were in basic agreement even though we looked at the issue from somewhat different ends. Microsoft, and it's systems, have very different priorities than Linux. Some of that shows in how Linux can operate just fine on hardware that painfully crawls with Windows on it, but that begs another thread.
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Anyway, I don't want to fight with you as you have posted a lot of other stuff in the last few days which I've fully agreed with and respected you for. smile.gif

So let me just say it outright then. The biggest systems I've had the pleasure of working on as an admin are under 200 workstations. I get the impression that you work on much larger systems. I'm less an admin than an old refined hacker (of the original variety, not the cracker variety). I started Linux fairly early back when everything had to be done "by hand". I learned stuff because I had to, not in CS courses in college, so my education is practical but fragmented. So sometimes I will use odd terminology or have a "shadetree" approach to a problem or subject, but I have learned a thing or two along the way. Fair enough?
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post #2196 of 4043
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@15130 -
A quick Google shows that NIC has had some problems with kernel versions and even some with dhcpd. Thankfully it seems kernel fixes worked for both. However that's a fairly new kernel at least within the 2.6.x tree. There is only one newer, although I skimmed through a few responses and some people did a workaround by downgrading their kernel. I suppose you can try going up one, or researching what older one will work or if there is a patch for your current kernel.

Geez I'm really sad to hear this is going on both for you and in general. In general NICs are very well supported in Linux and especially Intel-based chips. Do try the "modinfo e1000e" command to see if any of it's depends are missing. That may be the easiest fix short of replacing the kernel or the NIC.
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post #2198 of 4043
I'm not at home currently so I may not be very accurate, but from what I remember the modinfo command looked pretty weird (I haven't compared with other results so I can't tell for sure).
Main thing I noticed was that the line for "Depend" was empty.
Also if it's just related to this particular kernel I'll just switch to something else, I don't really need to fix something for this one.

Thanks for the help thumb.gif
post #2199 of 4043
No problem. BTW Backtrack (and it's derivatives) is basically a collection of tools that are available for any distro. Since you apparently have a working Slackware install, and I don't know how long that has been for, I thought I might introduce you to where you can get any tools you might presently lack. You may already know of this but if so no harm done. If you haven't seen it, you're gonna love it biggrin.gif

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Awesome biggrin.gif
I'm just using my Backtrack CDs as a quick and easy way to setup something whith every tool I need, but I was starting to think about setting my own small homemade lab using Slackware or another similar distribution. This will help me a lot, many thanks !
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