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I agree bodhi is good if you want E17, but from a minimal install name one way ubuntu is better then debian, lets say testing. go.

Don't know enough about the differences within Debian but I thought you actually had to do something extra to get to testing/lastest packages? I also never said either was better than the other. To be blunt we shouldn't go around telling people not to use z distro and use y distro unless we know their skills, knowledge, time, intents, etc. There shouldn't be this general disrespect for buntu (at least that's what it seems like) and worship of Arch or Debian or whatever. We need to accept why the each exist and how they can help further Linux and satisfy users wants/needs. This is what separates us from Windows and OSX. We can have whatever we want whether that is a preconfigured distro like buntu (even though it has it's own "from the ground up" iso) or going our own with Gentoo, Arch, Debian net.
     
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I agree bodhi is good if you want E17, but from a minimal install name one way ubuntu is better then debian, lets say testing. go.

Don't know enough about the differences within Debian but I thought you actually had to do something extra to get to testing/lastest packages? I also never said either was better than the other. To be blunt we shouldn't go around telling people not to use z distro and use y distro unless we know their skills, knowledge, time, intents, etc. There shouldn't be this general disrespect for buntu (at least that's what it seems like) and worship of Arch or Debian or whatever. We need to accept why the each exist and how they can help further Linux and satisfy users wants/needs. This is what separates us from Windows and OSX. We can have whatever we want whether that is a preconfigured distro like buntu (even though it has it's own "from the ground up" iso) or going our own with Gentoo, Arch, Debian net.

you've dodged the question. yes debian netinstall iso are avalable

the question was simple. when someone like cpt is looking for a ground up install name one way ubuntu server is better then debian testing netinstall. not saying it doesn't have other things, but from the ground up I'd like to hear why you 'd say ubuntu is worth it
post #453 of 4043
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you've dodged the question. yes debian netinstall iso are avalable
the question was simple. when someone like cpt is looking for a ground up install name one way ubuntu server is better then debian testing netinstall. not saying it doesn't have other things, but from the ground up I'd like to hear why you 'd say ubuntu is worth it

I know debian net is available...but does that get you straight into testing/latest packages or do you have to do something more? And if he's looking for ground up he's got more choices than just buntu minimal install and debian net. I would guess that buntu minimal will have by default more updated packages and kernels. Outside of that worth it is up to the person looking for a distro to use not anyone else.

Don't know why we got into this spat. For cpt he should look into Arch, Debian net, buntu minimal, Gentoo, and maybe Sabayon's bare/net (forget what it's called). I don't see the point in holding any distro as "better" than another especially when they're so closely related.
     
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you've dodged the question. yes debian netinstall iso are avalable
the question was simple. when someone like cpt is looking for a ground up install name one way ubuntu server is better then debian testing netinstall. not saying it doesn't have other things, but from the ground up I'd like to hear why you 'd say ubuntu is worth it

I know debian net is available...but does that get you straight into testing/latest packages or do you have to do something more? And if he's looking for ground up he's got more choices than just buntu minimal install and debian net. I would guess that buntu minimal will have by default more updated packages and kernels. Outside of that worth it is up to the person looking for a distro to use not anyone else.

Don't know why we got into this spat. For cpt he should look into Arch, Debian net, buntu minimal, Gentoo, and maybe Sabayon's bare/net (forget what it's called). I don't see the point in holding any distro as "better" than another especially when they're so closely related.

1. no the debian testings don't require any extra setup. testing from the get go
2. no, packages in ubuntu are uselly of the same version or close to the ones in debian testing. at the moment a little behind since testing is frozen, but it will be back to ubuntu version level a bit after wheezy hits stable. if you really want more up to date packages, you could use debian unstable, in option you don't have in ubuntu since it is in fact forked from debian unstable
3. ok, quesiotn dodger, again you fail to meat the one thing I asked: name one way. one thing, that buntu netinstall does better then debian testing netinstall. we can say 'all distros are good' or we can actully help the op find the better one for his needs and stop acting on sentimental feelings for your distro instead of logic. I think ubuntu is good for some things, this just isn't it. so, name one thing
post #455 of 4043
Well, since I've been using Ubuntu so far, I feel that Debian would be more familiar to me than other distros, so I'll start there. I have nothing but time, though, so I'll definitely be trying all the distros you guys are talking about. I'll probably do Arch next since I've read that it's good for tweakers.
Now, before the thread changes topic too much, can I get a little info about Debian WM's? That's really all I need now, then I can get started. wink.gif
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Why do I have to suggest buntu being better when you were the one that touted Debian as being so vastly superior (then go on to demonstrate just how close the two really are). headscratch.gif: Linux is what a person makes it. And since you can do a "net" install of buntu with the minimal iso what does Debian have over buntu? And again I never said buntu was any better I simply suggested that the near cultural bashing towards it on here makes no sense. Again I don't have to have sentimental feelings towards a distro...maybe SLAX and MeeGo.

So anyway; Cpt. if you want to go Debian then you should make sure you're on testing and you'll be good to go. If you start with any of these "from the ground up" distros they don't come with a DE/WM...that's the whole point; you have to choose one. If you're asking about what is available then I believe it is DWM, openbox...hmmm I'm actually not sure about the rest but all the DEs are available. Just like if you went with buntu mini iso (just in case you wanted to stick with buntu and not feel pressured into either choice).
     
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Yea, I understand what the minimal versions are, that's why I'm doing it. tongue.gif
I've messed with the Ubuntu Mini CD a few times and that's what I was originally going to do when I was asking about Ubuntu WM's. Now I've decided to try more distros before settling for one. My original reason for choosing Ubuntu was Steam native, so I'll probably be limited in my options once that's released. tongue.gif

Anyway, I'll go ahead and start with Openbox since that fits the minimal/custom idea. Thanks for the help, guys! biggrin.gif
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Yea, I understand what the minimal versions are, that's why I'm doing it. tongue.gif
I've messed with the Ubuntu Mini CD a few times and that's what I was originally going to do when I was asking about Ubuntu WM's. Now I've decided to try more distros before settling for one. My original reason for choosing Ubuntu was Steam native, so I'll probably be limited in my options once that's released. tongue.gif

Anyway, I'll go ahead and start with Openbox since that fits the minimal/custom idea. Thanks for the help, guys! biggrin.gif

no problem.

@rookie debian has a lower foot print, better documentation, and upgrading release to release is much easyer (although testing is plain rolling release, even easyer) the differance isn't much, but if ubuntus a 9 and debians a 10 yeah ubuntu's still a 9 but why stop there?
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Psyched that I found this forum. Love Linux. Started with Ubuntu when I was 15. 7 years later now Im using Mint, Blackbuntu, Wolvix, Gentoo, and I keep expanding!!!
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no problem.
@rookie debian has a lower foot print, better documentation, and upgrading release to release is much easyer (although testing is plain rolling release, even easyer) the differance isn't much, but if ubuntus a 9 and debians a 10 yeah ubuntu's still a 9 but why stop there?

How does Debian have a lower foot print if they both are net installs? I'm not being sarcastic I'm actually wondering how it would be possible for to distros with the same package manager and essentially same starting point of net -> kernel -> programs end up different in "foot print" if you're installing the same packages and all?

@cpt: Enjoy! thumb.gif
     
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