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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
    less then six months
  • 14% (30)
    less then a year
  • 24% (49)
    less then three years
  • 13% (27)
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post #461 of 4043
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no problem.
@rookie debian has a lower foot print, better documentation, and upgrading release to release is much easyer (although testing is plain rolling release, even easyer) the differance isn't much, but if ubuntus a 9 and debians a 10 yeah ubuntu's still a 9 but why stop there?

How does Debian have a lower foot print if they both are net installs? I'm not being sarcastic I'm actually wondering how it would be possible for to distros with the same package manager and essentially same starting point of net -> kernel -> programs end up different in "foot print" if you're installing the same packages and all?

@cpt: Enjoy! thumb.gif

Services. It is redunced in ubuntu from a minimal install, but still expect it to be higher then debian. Lets take a look at mint. Mint 13 is heavyer then LMDE. Why? Its ubuntu. They use the same desktop, same software, same everything except for one thing: the core, the thing you will be putting a minimal install machien is in ubuntu heavyer. Sure strip it down, but why not start at the place you want to get to? A true minimal install
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Yea, I understand what the minimal versions are, that's why I'm doing it. tongue.gif
I've messed with the Ubuntu Mini CD a few times and that's what I was originally going to do when I was asking about Ubuntu WM's. Now I've decided to try more distros before settling for one. My original reason for choosing Ubuntu was Steam native, so I'll probably be limited in my options once that's released. tongue.gif
Anyway, I'll go ahead and start with Openbox since that fits the minimal/custom idea. Thanks for the help, guys! biggrin.gif

I've been following this thread and the responses to your questions. I can't remember you saying anywhere why you want to go with a lean install?

I've been trying some of the lean distros myself but came back to Linux Mint 13 Mate. On a moderately decent system, like my 5-6 year old Intel core2 duo with 4GB RAM, I don't see any advantage in running a lean system.

Linux Mint comes preinstalled with all the video codecs and proprietary stuff that I need to get everything working smooth. It will "eat" about 6GB of hard drive space, perhaps some more if you install plenty of stuff. I never managed to use more than 8GB for root. Compare that to around 35+GB for Windows 7 Pro 64bit, without anything installed yet (i.e. no applications).

One thing I've noticed is that different distros behave differently when upgrading, and some of them may break the system when doing so. In my case it had to do with the proprietary Nvidia driver I had installed, which of course doesn't like kernel updates. Fixing this can be easy with some distros, and much more challenging with others.

So, if you have a really underperforming PC with little memory (1GB or less), then it makes sense to go for a small minimalist distro. But if you got 2GB RAM or more I don't see much if any advantage in a lean distro.

Just my 2c.
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I've been following this thread and the responses to your questions. I can't remember you saying anywhere why you want to go with a lean install?

I've been trying some of the lean distros myself but came back to Linux Mint 13 Mate. On a moderately decent system, like my 5-6 year old Intel core2 duo with 4GB RAM, I don't see any advantage in running a lean system.

Linux Mint comes preinstalled with all the video codecs and proprietary stuff that I need to get everything working smooth. It will "eat" about 6GB of hard drive space, perhaps some more if you install plenty of stuff. I never managed to use more than 8GB for root. Compare that to around 35+GB for Windows 7 Pro 64bit, without anything installed yet (i.e. no applications).

One thing I've noticed is that different distros behave differently when upgrading, and some of them may break the system when doing so. In my case it had to do with the proprietary Nvidia driver I had installed, which of course doesn't like kernel updates. Fixing this can be easy with some distros, and much more challenging with others.

So, if you have a really underperforming PC with little memory (1GB or less), then it makes sense to go for a small minimalist distro. But if you got 2GB RAM or more I don't see much if any advantage in a lean distro.

Just my 2c.

It's just something I like to do. wink.gif
My sig rig is the only one I have and you can see that it won't have any problems running a large OS.
Before trying Linux, I was doing my best to gut Windows 7 with RT7 LIte, but it wasn't enough for me. The reason I decided to try Linux was because of the freedom it offers, I hardly knew about any of the technical benefits.
Even with a high end computer, minimizing the software can improve performance. That's not why I do it though, I just like to have only what I use and get rid of everything else. I'd do it with my hardware too if I had money. tongue.gif
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Yea, I understand what the minimal versions are, that's why I'm doing it. tongue.gif
I've messed with the Ubuntu Mini CD a few times and that's what I was originally going to do when I was asking about Ubuntu WM's. Now I've decided to try more distros before settling for one. My original reason for choosing Ubuntu was Steam native, so I'll probably be limited in my options once that's released. tongue.gif
Anyway, I'll go ahead and start with Openbox since that fits the minimal/custom idea. Thanks for the help, guys! biggrin.gif

I've been following this thread and the responses to your questions. I can't remember you saying anywhere why you want to go with a lean install?

I've been trying some of the lean distros myself but came back to Linux Mint 13 Mate. On a moderately decent system, like my 5-6 year old Intel core2 duo with 4GB RAM, I don't see any advantage in running a lean system.

Linux Mint comes preinstalled with all the video codecs and proprietary stuff that I need to get everything working smooth. It will "eat" about 6GB of hard drive space, perhaps some more if you install plenty of stuff. I never managed to use more than 8GB for root. Compare that to around 35+GB for Windows 7 Pro 64bit, without anything installed yet (i.e. no applications).

One thing I've noticed is that different distros behave differently when upgrading, and some of them may break the system when doing so. In my case it had to do with the proprietary Nvidia driver I had installed, which of course doesn't like kernel updates. Fixing this can be easy with some distros, and much more challenging with others.

So, if you have a really underperforming PC with little memory (1GB or less), then it makes sense to go for a small minimalist distro. But if you got 2GB RAM or more I don't see much if any advantage in a lean distro.

Just my 2c.

all very true. one thing that is annoying about mint is that they provoid little doculmentation of upgrading and have in the past even broken some packages just to try and make people reinstall. debian and even ubuntu to some extent aim to make it easy to upgrade.
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Personally, I don't mind re-installing my OS. I use very few programs so it's not a big pain to install them and all my personal files I just copy off a backup drive. This is especially so with Linux because everything just installs so fast! While tweaking Windows 7 I installed it several times on a VM and a few more on my actual machine, I've installed Ubuntu even more times. The first thing I noticed when installing Ubuntu was how quickly it finished, Windows 7 always took like 20 minutes (using USB 2 and my slow Caviar Green, which I just noticed I forgot to put in my sig doh.gif).

If there's any benefit to re-installing Linux OS's rather than upgrading I'll definitely do it.
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post #466 of 4043
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Personally, I don't mind re-installing my OS. I use very few programs so it's not a big pain to install them and all my personal files I just copy off a backup drive. This is especially so with Linux because everything just installs so fast! While tweaking Windows 7 I installed it several times on a VM and a few more on my actual machine, I've installed Ubuntu even more times. The first thing I noticed when installing Ubuntu was how quickly it finished, Windows 7 always took like 20 minutes (using USB 2 and my slow Caviar Green, which I just noticed I forgot to put in my sig doh.gif).

If there's any benefit to re-installing Linux OS's rather than upgrading I'll definitely do it.

it depends what distro your running
post #467 of 4043
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ok, after ~6 months of not updateing the member list I've added everyone! still havn't done up one with all the distros, not sure if I will, but everyone has been added
post #468 of 4043
Sweet, i just switched from Xubuntu 12.04 to Linux Mint 13 w/ the Mate desktop environment. I'm liking it a lot better biggrin.gif
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If there's any benefit to re-installing Linux OS's rather than upgrading I'll definitely do it.

No real benefits, other than free'ing up hdd space from unused apps you installed and forgotten about.

The biggest problem is Debian and some of the distro's based on it like Ubuntu, is upgrading doesn't always go to plan. They seem to be getting better with it, but in the past there has been a lot of issues of the upgrade not working. I recently ( about 2? months ago installed Debian on my Laptop again ) updated to Wheezy and it failed to get a few things that it should have and didn't work right. Reinstalled and updated a second time, exactly the same process, and it worked perfectly. Also used to be a big issue in the older Ubuntu's back in the 6/7/8 days. May not happen to everyone or as often as it used to but it still happens.

I just always reccommend a clean install on new releases anyways, just seems cleaner to me. Another reason why I love rolling distro's, not having to worry about "upgrading".
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No real benefits, other than free'ing up hdd space from unused apps you installed and forgotten about.
The biggest problem is Debian and some of the distro's based on it like Ubuntu, is upgrading doesn't always go to plan. They seem to be getting better with it, but in the past there has been a lot of issues of the upgrade not working. I recently ( about 2? months ago installed Debian on my Laptop again ) updated to Wheezy and it failed to get a few things that it should have and didn't work right. Reinstalled and updated a second time, exactly the same process, and it worked perfectly. Also used to be a big issue in the older Ubuntu's back in the 6/7/8 days. May not happen to everyone or as often as it used to but it still happens.
I just always reccommend a clean install on new releases anyways, just seems cleaner to me. Another reason why I love rolling distro's, not having to worry about "upgrading".

Oh man when you install a few DEs and then forget all the little bits and pieces that they brought in with them it kind of helps doing the fresh install.
     
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