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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
    less then six months
  • 14% (30)
    less then a year
  • 24% (49)
    less then three years
  • 13% (27)
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post #771 of 4043
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

uh, to be clear, the firmware is not a part of debian, and they have made a point of making that fact to everyone blatantly clear.
Ah, I just checked the documentation. It's not officially part, but its hosted by Debian, uses Debian's systems. It's supported enough that for most cases it doesn't really matter.
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and it's not debatable. if it does any good or not depends on the hardware, it's not some judgement thing, if you take it is, but if it helps or hurts performance is in no way debatable. either it does or it doesn't depending on the machine.
I think you misunderstood what I meant. Debian is about being a 100% free software distribution (thus the DFSG). They give you the choice of installing it, so as to protect your freedom. The point I thought debatable was whether striping the kernel of blobs made a real difference in your software freedom. Because you need it (all my machines, as far as I know, need some firmware to work), does splitting it out make a huge difference? I don't have a simple solid answer for that question.
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not to mention this is about a new user installing debian, so that fact that there internet will be available after they try and do a netinstall is of little help. which is why for new users I recommend LMDE, which is based off of debian's testing branch, with the package (called firmware-linux-nonfree) plus other non-FOSS stuff preinstalled for the noob.
For a Linux noob, I wouldn't recommend a Debian net install to begin with. It be like asking them to install Gentoo. I use Debian net install when I want a base system without any extra stuff. I'd send a noob to other distributions. I've never used LMDE, so I don't know how good it is, but I'd show them OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, or Fedora for a ready to go distribution. However I wouldn't turn someone away from Debian because they strip their Linux kernel of binary blobs. If they can install/maintain Debian, they can get the firmware package on their machine.

Also, for firmware you want to install firmware-linux. It pulls in both the nonfree and free firmware packages. Of course both firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree are in non-free.
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anyways, new poll! I decided just after switching to urxvt, and I don't think I'm going back anytime soon
Konsole is my main one (KDE user all the way!) But xterm is my fallback console (I'm too lazy to change it) and I use the Linux virtual terminals all the time for system maintenance.
post #772 of 4043
currently using XFCE's Term and used Xterm, Aterm, and Eterm in the past. I tend to fall back to Xterm when I'm running fluxbox. I might have to look at urxvt and see what all the hub bub is about.
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

uh, to be clear, the firmware is not a part of debian, and they have made a point of making that fact to everyone blatantly clear.
Ah, I just checked the documentation. It's not officially part, but its hosted by Debian, uses Debian's systems. It's supported enough that for most cases it doesn't really matter.

no, it does matter. non-free is not supported by the debian security team.

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I think you misunderstood what I meant. Debian is about being a 100% free software distribution (thus the DFSG). They give you the choice of installing it, so as to protect your freedom. The point I thought debatable was whether striping the kernel of blobs made a real difference in your software freedom. Because you need it (all my machines, as far as I know, need some firmware to work), does splitting it out make a huge difference? I don't have a simple solid answer for that question.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

not to mention this is about a new user installing debian, so that fact that there internet will be available after they try and do a netinstall is of little help. which is why for new users I recommend LMDE, which is based off of debian's testing branch, with the package (called firmware-linux-nonfree) plus other non-FOSS stuff preinstalled for the noob.

it terms of your freedom to the source, again it's not debatable. yes, you lose the freedom part of the source on the system. if you give that up is up to you, but its not debatable.
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For a Linux noob, I wouldn't recommend a Debian net install to begin with. It be like asking them to install Gentoo. I use Debian net install when I want a base system without any extra stuff. I'd send a noob to other distributions. I've never used LMDE, so I don't know how good it is, but I'd show them OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, or Fedora for a ready to go distribution. However I wouldn't turn someone away from Debian because they strip their Linux kernel of binary blobs. If they can install/maintain Debian, they can get the firmware package on their machine.

actually, just check a box and the netinstall fetches a full desktop. I see what you mean though.

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Also, for firmware you want to install firmware-linux. It pulls in both the nonfree and free firmware packages. Of course both firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree are in non-free.
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

anyways, new poll! I decided just after switching to urxvt, and I don't think I'm going back anytime soon
Konsole is my main one (KDE user all the way!) But xterm is my fallback console (I'm too lazy to change it) and I use the Linux virtual terminals all the time for system maintenance.

true, just want to make the differance because firmware-linux-free is installed already, so firmware-linux is redundant as the firmware remaining is in firmware-linux-nonfree. doesn't really matter though.
post #774 of 4043
LOL. With all the Gnomers here I again laugh at how Konsole is in the lead. Maybe not being the favorite is a good thing after all? I'm just curious...is there a way to post the previous polls results somewhere? I'm kind of interested in seeing them used again to see how things change. Plus, I can't remember if there was a poll about file systems yet.

I honestly haven't really seen a difference between the terminals to be honest. They all kind of seemed the same except the one used in Bodhi after they stopped using LXterm. The new one is a bit flashy and weird. I mean I couldn't even Ctrl+T for a new tab in it.
     
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Im using guake right now but will probably switch back to the included mate terminal
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post #776 of 4043
So many posts, only 12 votes?? ha

Konsole terminal is what I mainly use. I think the major feature is the ability to full screen with F11, I use it often. The transparency feature is convenient as that is the only window I want transparent.

I use xterm for stuff I want to run in a terminal instead of using bashrun.
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I use Terminator. I hardly ever use any of its features though (splitting, grouping).
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post #778 of 4043
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the worst thing possible just happened. my keyboard just bit the dust.



that would be fine- if i had a touch screen. this is killing me. its taken me like 5 min to write this post.
post #779 of 4043
So much win.

You don't want me to take a picture of all my keyboards =D

I'm good... till long after the apocalypse....
post #780 of 4043
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So much win.

You don't want me to take a picture of all my keyboards =D

I'm good... till long after the apocalypse....

lol. It started working again but this is the 5th time tonight it's done that, and this time it stopped for like an hour. I just cleaned its cheap dell internals a couple of weeks ago too. Going to have to go keyboard shopping.
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