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Poll Results: How long have you been using your current, main installation?

 
  • 24% (50)
    less then a month
  • 23% (47)
    less then six months
  • 14% (30)
    less then a year
  • 24% (49)
    less then three years
  • 13% (27)
    three years+
203 Total Votes  
post #891 of 4043
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

one thing about fedora: you must add rpmfusion. if you don't, the repos are kind of lacking.

also, you might want to wait because in about a week or so Fedora 18 is supposed to be released

Wish I learned this sooner, Thanks!
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post #892 of 4043
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

I have 9GB biggrin.gif I want 'em fancy sleeping things!

Oh fancy you! Sleep is for the weak! biggrin.gif

Now where did my bed get to headscratch.gif

when your 7 year old caviar SE is 5 feet from where you sleep, having the computer sleep helps a lot.
post #893 of 4043
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when your 7 year old caviar SE is 5 feet from where you sleep, having the computer sleep helps a lot.

I use one of my desktops as my night stand thumb.gif

Noise has never been an issue for me. You get used to it living on a naval air base tongue.gif
post #894 of 4043
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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

when your 7 year old caviar SE is 5 feet from where you sleep, having the computer sleep helps a lot.

I use one of my desktops as my night stand thumb.gif

Noise has never been an issue for me. You get used to it living on a naval air base tongue.gif

lol. I can't sleep with even the smallest bit of background noise, so having it save it's state while using no power helps me alot.
post #895 of 4043
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You only need 1 swap partition, and that's only if you don't have enough ram ( anything over 4gb and swap is essentially wasted space for most average people ). The 2 distro's will share the same swap partition, usually detected automatically by graphical installers.
If you have 8GB right now, I wouldn't even bother. As much as I do on my personal machine I rarely venture past 2-4GB ( out of 32GB ) during some of the most memory intensive/multi-tasking I can even fathom doing at once. And the 2GB of swap I have stays at a cool 0 the entire time.

While that is generally true, I always add a small swap space on my machines. I've heard reports that Linux likes having some swap space, even if it's a few MB. On my laptop, I have 16G of RAM and a 20M (M, not G) of swap (which is full right now). I have machines with more memory, and they all have small swap spaces too, just to be safe. I did personally find that 8G was not quite enough to forgo swap entirely, but I was running some Boinc projects which helped eat the memory.
post #896 of 4043
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

You only need 1 swap partition, and that's only if you don't have enough ram ( anything over 4gb and swap is essentially wasted space for most average people ). The 2 distro's will share the same swap partition, usually detected automatically by graphical installers.
If you have 8GB right now, I wouldn't even bother. As much as I do on my personal machine I rarely venture past 2-4GB ( out of 32GB ) during some of the most memory intensive/multi-tasking I can even fathom doing at once. And the 2GB of swap I have stays at a cool 0 the entire time.

While that is generally true, I always add a small swap space on my machines. I've heard reports that Linux likes having some swap space, even if it's a few MB. On my laptop, I have 16G of RAM and a 20M (M, not G) of swap (which is full right now). I have machines with more memory, and they all have small swap spaces too, just to be safe. I did personally find that 8G was not quite enough to forgo swap entirely, but I was running some Boinc projects which helped eat the memory.

'reports' wth.gif please explain. also, if your filling 16GBs of RAM boinc can't be the only hog. I think you don't quite get what swap is. it's an overflow buffer of hard drvie space the kernel can call memory if it runs out of ram. hence, if you don't run out of ram, you don't need swap thumb.gif you might get warning about it at install, but as long as you have enough memory it will never effect the system (unless you want suspend/hibernation) and 20MBs of swap is a waist of a partition number.
post #897 of 4043
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'reports' wth.gif please explain. also, if your filling 16GBs of RAM boinc can't be the only hog. I think you don't quite get what swap is. it's an overflow buffer of hard drvie space the kernel can call memory if it runs out of ram. hence, if you don't run out of ram, you don't need swap thumb.gif you might get warning about it at install, but as long as you have enough memory it will never effect the system (unless you want suspend/hibernation) and 20MBs of swap is a waist of a partition number.

The reports was from a blog from a company about tuning servers for MySQL (http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com). There was several claims were "odd" things would happen without swap space. The idea is that the Linux kernel was written at a time were swap space was a given. Thus there are code paths in the kernel that make the assumption that swap is available, and act oddly without, causing stalls and the like. It's not well defined, but I've used machines with 16G of ram, and no swap. I did see some odd issues (again nothing I can pinpoint), and they did go away when I added a small amount of swap.

Of course, in a perfect world with 16G of memory I should never need swap space. And with Linux, generally speaking, I've never used the full space unless I'm doing stupid things. And you analysis, in a perfect world, is 100% correct. But I still keep my small swap space "just in case". And I'd recommend others to do so too. If you want to avoid using a partition (although with gpt/lvm it's not such an issue), swap files on recent kernels do not incur overhead, and at 20M it doesn't matter much anyways.

Also, when I filled my memory, that was only 8G, and I run a lot of development stuff on my systems as well (one (or two) database servers, web server, and various other things). And certain Boinc projects love ram (climateprediction.net, BURP). Normally 8G should be enough, but I'm an extreme case.
post #898 of 4043
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assumming that swap is available, when you run out of ram. not before. of you have hard data other wise I'd like too see.

anyway, after getting everything set up, ram usage:



that's 100mbs with terminal, without, just 95, and that includes conky and the wallpaper. smile.gif
post #899 of 4043
I've seen on my own installs where Linux has used trace amounts of swap even though I've had over 2GB of RAM free. LMDE seemed to like using about 40MB of swap. I haven't used the system resource monitor that much with XFCE in Arch to see if it's doing it there too.
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I've used just about every publically available DE/WM and can honestly say I've never seen them use swap tongue.gif
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