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I don't know in what world you live but your stance is actually the exception to the rule which b3machi7ke pointed out: The masses will simply not care and if a browser has any meaning to them to begin with it will be "because X, Y and Z use it too!".


I think you missed my point entirely. b3machi7ke was upset because he thought I implied that if you use IE you are automatically a noob, 100% of the time, all cases, no exception. So, I had to correct that.

 

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As for my stance, I happily use IE9 because of the MS integration in addition to being just a browser. It fulfills all my browser needs and it doesn't require me to register an account unlike Chrome. When Chrome asked me to create an account I said "Bye bye!" to Google.

 

You don't have to register an account to use Chrome.

 

In any case, I prefer FF over Chrome for its superior adblocking, for one. With Chrome the ad-"block" addons just hide the ad elements instead of actually blocking them, as you'd expect with a browser made by a company that derives a majority of its revenue from ads.

 

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I tried other browsers too and as with all open source software, it generally lacks the consistent quality and support response commercial software vendors are able to provide. Opensource and it's browsers are primarily play stuff for the tech savvy and their surroundings.

 

Tech support for a browser? What? headscratch.gif

 

"Consistent quality"...what in the world are you on about?

 

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As to Open Source not providing the quality and support response? Come on, go look at the information out there. IE suffers from more major flaws than the other big browsers, and Microsoft are slower to fix them. FOSS has been shown time and time again to be better with regards to security and patching speed - see Apache for the prime example. A large community is generally better than a company, however large, at supporting a product, and security through many eyes holds the same benefits over security through obscurity.


Good grief, this.

 

post #32 of 65
I don't know but you're quoting pieces of mine and take them somewhere different? No I never said I need support for a browser. If you read that sentence carefully I was addressing opensource as a whole, not just browsers.

Businesses simply need backed guarantees. The FOSS structure just can't provide that. Then there's the silly "let's branch out because group Z is doing it wrong/going the wrong way". FOSS just has a way too high uncertainty factor to be of any use in core business systems.
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I don't know but you're quoting pieces of mine and take them somewhere different? No I never said I need support for a browser. If you read that sentence carefully I was addressing opensource as a whole, not just browsers.
Businesses simply need backed guarantees. The FOSS structure just can't provide that. Then there's the silly "let's branch out because group Z is doing it wrong/going the wrong way". FOSS just has a way too high uncertainty factor to be of any use in core business systems.

 

I made an exception in my previous post for business use. I don't expect to see Chrome or Firefox in corporate group policy anytime soon. So, I see your point in regards to IE use at work. That's fine.

 

For everyday use at home, my arguments that very few people who know what they're doing willingly choose to use IE, still stand.
 

 

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I made an exception in my previous post for business use. I don't expect to see Chrome or Firefox in corporate group policy anytime soon. So, I see your point in regards to IE use at work. That's fine.

For everyday use at home, my arguments that very few people who know what they're doing willingly choose to use IE, still stand.

 

I Agree with this guy.
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In any case, I prefer FF over Chrome for its superior adblocking, for one. With Chrome the ad-"block" addons just hide the ad elements instead of actually blocking them, as you'd expect with a browser made by a company that derives a majority of its revenue from ads.

That hasn't been true for a while now actually.
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That hasn't been true for a while now actually.

 

No kidding? How long is a while if I may ask?
 

 

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I don't know but you're quoting pieces of mine and take them somewhere different? No I never said I need support for a browser. If you read that sentence carefully I was addressing opensource as a whole, not just browsers.
Businesses simply need backed guarantees. The FOSS structure just can't provide that. Then there's the silly "let's branch out because group Z is doing it wrong/going the wrong way". FOSS just has a way too high uncertainty factor to be of any use in core business systems.

Uncertainty? Compared to a company that can, at any time, revoke your license to use their software or choose to end support for said product, having the source code in your hands for you to do whatever you want with is uncertain?

As to forking being silly? What? Forking means that everyone can get the features they want. You are not forced by some entity to use the product the way they want you to, as with proprietary products.

As I said in my post before, Open Source software gives you a guarantee, even if for some weird reason the community completely drops the product (highly unlikely) then with open source software you still have the code, the file formats, everything you need to carry on. With proprietary software, you have no such promise, and companies going bust, stopping support for products, massively changing their products, pricing their products out of your range or switching the file format are far more real threats than no one being interested in a FOSS product any more.
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No kidding? How long is a while if I may ask?


Well, resource blocking was implemented way back around... Chrome 6. So technically... it's been about two years. There were still some cases such as plugin based ads (i.e in-video ads in flash based videos) that weren't blocked yet, if that's what you were referring to.

WebRequest API for complete resource blocking was implemented in Chrome 17 so that's fairly recent.
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Sorry but firefox for life
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i still dont understand the fight to the end devotion you people have towards your browsers? rolleyes.gif
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