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Originally Posted by trulsrohk View Post

Companies want their cake and to eat it too....they want you to be forced to buy a new game, via a download service, and to always be online.
I am fine with this if all the game/music/movie distributers pulled their collective heads out of their butts and dropped the prices to reasonable levels for digital content that costs them next to nothing to distribute.
The less expensive media is the more of it will be bought, the less of it will be pirated, the less they will feel they have to invest in DRM.
It is pretty obvious that we are moving towards digital distibtuion for all forms of media/software, but the pricing models need to change from what they are currently. It is a very different way of doing business now.

Hey, I'm Todd and you're listening to FoxNNBC.

Breaking news at 12. Not everyone has an internet connection always going to their device. Or wants to.

In other news, if said Xbox plans go in to effect our analysis predicts more piracy than ever! Not a good way to combat that, huh Jane?

Right Todd, people buy used games because to them, it was never a game they really wanted. So when it costs them a bargain of the original price, they give it a shot. These are people who would never have actually paid the company who developed the game either way!

This has been a broadcast from the FoxNNBC Common Sense Completely Obvious Department. (And that will be $9.99. Thanks)
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post #52 of 78
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sounds like steam?

lol good one, but true.

Hopefully this will make PC development efforts on par with consoles.
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Hey, I'm Todd and you're listening to FoxNNBC.
Breaking news at 12. Not everyone has an internet connection always going to their device. Or wants to.
In other news, if said Xbox plans go in to effect our analysis predicts more piracy than ever! Not a good way to combat that, huh Jane?
Right Todd, people buy used games because to them, it was never a game they really wanted. So when it costs them a bargain of the original price, they give it a shot. These are people who would never have actually paid the company who developed the game either way!
This has been a broadcast from the FoxNNBC Common Sense Completely Obvious Department. (And that will be $9.99. Thanks)

not everyone does, but if you want to do any online multiplayer or use any of the other great uses you can use a console then you need to. I agree the requiring a connection is stupid, but most devices will be connected anyway whether "required" or not.

as for the rest of your post...

If games are much less expensive as I advocate that they should be, then they will rival current used game prices. Now the companies get no lost sales from used games which to them is the same bottom line as piracy.

So people still get games at the same used games price, and the companies no longer take a perceived hit in sales from the used game industry.

That is what I am advocating thumb.gif
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I guarantee you that none of the next generation of consoles will have an always online requirment. First of all, the built in security of a console is the DRM, they don't need extra DRM like requiring an Internet connection.
Second, there are just too many people without a reliable Internet connection to not significantly limit the number of people who would buy their console. We are talking 10 to 20 percent, which is huge.
I think we are hearing a lot of interesting rumors but tying everything to an online account seems to risky, at least today. Maybe for the Playstation 5 and Xbox1440 but I just don't think we are there yet. I don't think Sony or Microsoft want to take a gamble that large, especially if they think their competition won't.
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In a world where selling back games is no longer an option, will games sell as well as they do now?

In short, no they won't. I wouldn't have bought half the games I have on console knowing later that they sucked. Case in point for me: SOCOM: Confrontation....I bought it USED and sold it back within a week. I used the trade in money to buy BFBC2 and man, that was a good decision!

I couldn't have ever done that in a world where used games either don't exist or was ruined like EA's online pass. I hope that this article shows developers and businesses that depend on the console industry wake up and start working with Sony and Microsoft to overturn this issue.
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Ive never bought a used game anyway

and im kinda used to this UNIQUE ID stuff and such, from steam. WHich every PC gamer has known for quite a few years (what is it... 8 years now)?

I dont see the problem

now, if they would just reduce the price of console games, i might actually buy some.
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Going to x86 really has no affect on consoles heading toward PCs. The appeal of consoles for developers is the fixed hardware set, it's much easier, faster, and cheaper to develop games for consoles, regardless of what architecture is used. However, using x86 may make that even easier than before.

I should have clarified. I don't see consoles disappearing after the next generation, just maybe not lasting another 3 like we have since the 80's. The time period between new generations has been extending, and I don't think it's going to work better for the console companies. If consoles are going to stick around, a service like OnLive will probably take the market with-in 10 years as infrastructure improves. Physical media will definately go the way of the dinosaur with-in 3 generations.

If they last 3 more generations. IMO, this is the 2nd to last unless they can do something revolutionary, not gimmicky like the Wii U/Kinect/Motion control. I think a ubiquitous CPU uArch will hasten this process to an all digital, streaming, console.

It sort of reminds me of the gameball 9000 south park episode, humanity is difficult to predict, so I could be completely wrong.
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i think this sort of thing is great. I love having Steam so that i can buy a game and get it anywhere. Sorry but the modern day its very easy and simple to get high speed internet. I dont want to ehar"well some people cant get it where they live" thats BS...there are always ways to get it. As for the not having a physical copy, sometimes its nice to have it so that does kind of suck that they are pushing away from it but its nice to be able to turn on my computer and see 50+ games and all i have to do is download them.....

The only real problem i see is if you have limited bandwith in certain areas or with certain ISP's. I know it sucks if you hit your cap, so that can be the argument here and if companies like Comcast dont up what they offer then this is going to turn into a real problem. Its also going to destroy the used game market and companies that use that as a big revenue are going to suffer (Gamestop).

The digital age has such amzaing wonders, but the old ways are good too...they have to find the line...
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I don't care. Most games suck. 20 something years after I got the thing my NES still sees use. Xbox360 hasn't been powered on in a year or two.
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i think this sort of thing is great. I love having Steam so that i can buy a game and get it anywhere. Sorry but the modern day its very easy and simple to get high speed internet. I dont want to ehar"well some people cant get it where they live" thats BS...there are always ways to get it. As for the not having a physical copy, sometimes its nice to have it so that does kind of suck that they are pushing away from it but its nice to be able to turn on my computer and see 50+ games and all i have to do is download them.....
The only real problem i see is if you have limited bandwith in certain areas or with certain ISP's. I know it sucks if you hit your cap, so that can be the argument here and if companies like Comcast dont up what they offer then this is going to turn into a real problem. Its also going to destroy the used game market and companies that use that as a big revenue are going to suffer (Gamestop).
The digital age has such amzaing wonders, but the old ways are good too...they have to find the line...

I take it you've never lived in mississippi, south carolina, tennessee, or any state larger than a football field?

also, if you knew how hard I had to fight with my cable company to get service, you might change your mind.
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