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Poll Results: Will you buy Windows 8 ?

 
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    I'm definitely not going to buy Windows 8, because:
  1. NTFS driver seems to have a new bug that makes Windows 8 more susceptible to file cross-linking.  Note: I now believe that this was caused by dual-booting with Fast startup enabled.  However, as described next, Windows 8's chkdsk found no errors on the drives both before and after, while Windows 7's chkdsk found and fixed many problems.
  2. Chkdsk says that a corrupted disk has no problems in Windows 8, but after going back to Windows 7, chkdsk fixed multiple problems including errors in the bitmap and cross-linked files.  I lost the files that Windows 8 corrupted by cross-linking (they were temporary work files between backups). mad.gif  Note: Windows 8.1 chkdsk is behaving differently for me than Windows 8 chkdsk.  This has not been confirmed, but this bug might be fixed now.
  3. Windows 8 is slower than Windows 7 on some computers.  If 8 seems faster to you, it's probably because your 7 installation was cluttered, but you now have a fresh 8 install.  You probably could have done a fresh install of 7 and got a similar speed increase. wink.gif
  4. They removed the Start menu (I know about and use ClassicShell as a replacement; I even use it in Windows 7 also because Windows 7 only comes with the crippled XP style Start menu).
  5. The newfangled Start screen is ugly and not drag'n'drop compatible with the desktop or anything else, and it fills the screen, obscuring my work.
  6. If you install a lot of software, the Start screen is a conglomerous mess of program icons, readme's, help files, and uninstall buttons.  Aargh! tongue.gif  Whatever happened to the neat and tidy folders of the Start menu?  And then, once tidied, who needs the Start screen?  It is basically a copy of my desktop, that I can't fully arrange and can't save work onto.  It also forces a "context switch" where I can't see the toolbar and choose which running program to open to obscure the desktop.  I have to switch to the desktop (extra step) in order to select the program to bring to the foreground.
  7. Sometimes, various windows "hang" and stop refreshing their window contents (the programs continue to function and to respond to user input by doing things, but their window contents are frozen, not updating or refreshing).  Switching to the Start screen and back seems to temporarily fix the problem.  Windows 8 did this occasionally on all three computers I tested it on (one of these computers was an HP OEM that came with Windows 8 already preinstalled).  This bug was really bad (it happened all the time) in the Windows 8 Customer Preview edition.
  8. The workflow is less efficient than in Windows 7.  I trialed Windows 8 for several months and got quite used to it (I thought).  But then switched back to Windows 7 when I started experiencing file corruption.  It was instant relief: I had become used to something that was less efficient, and everything seemed to me so much more natural and easy in Windows 7, and Windows 7 was so much more responsive (snappy).
  9. I can't walk over to the locked computer, enter my login password rapid-fire, press [Enter] and have the screen fade in to my desktop, like I could in Windows 7.  If I do that in Windows 8, login fails because it misses the first few characters in my password.  So, I have to wiggle the mouse, wait for the LCD screen to wake up, press a key to make the "cover" go away, and then I can enter my password.
  10. This operating system is the most bloated version of Windows yet.  I'll know that they have repented when the Windows installation files once again fit on a single CD, like Windows XP SP3 does.
  11. Even more necessary background running processes than Windows 7 (which also took a step backwards from XP in this regard).  Each of these processes take time to start and kernel time to keep track of, regardless of the amount of CPU that they use.
  12. The ugly Metro apps are made up of thousands of tiny files, just like Microsoft's ugly .NET (which is Microsoft's second biggest mistake, IMHO).  These tiny files bloat the MFT and cause some folders to have huge B-tree structures that take more time to load and parse, slowing down the file access for the entire system, and increasing the amount of data that Windows has to cache from the disk at boot time.
  13. Some Metro apps are slow and sluggish—not surprisingly—because they're made of many tiny files (lots of HDD seeks and filesystem calls) and some of them are written in JavaScript and run in a live runtime environment.
  14. The Metro apps downgrade Windows back to DOS days, where you can't multi-task because one application fills the screen.  Why do they even call this crap "Windows" ?  Note: Windows 8.1 adds some limited flexibility here.
  15. The graphic screen elements everywhere look ugly and flat.  All Microsoft's OSes from Windows 95 to Windows ME all had 3D buttons.  Windows XP greatly improved the "realness" of buttons making them easy to identify.  Windows 7 was definitely the pinnacle of the Aero experience, where command buttons look like real push-buttons.  Windows 8?  Simply blandly colored rectangles. tongue.gif
  16. The logon screen is absolutely terrible.  A completely flat beige color with an ugly head icon (whatever happened to the nice user icons in XP, Vista and 7?) and a flat white area for a password box.  No edges, just flat and ugly.  I do like the clock on the cover screen though.
  17. Can't turn UAC off; even with it on "Don't notify", all programs are launched as standard user, and are only "elevated" when they request.  Some programs don't even know to request elevation.  Simple things like "regsvr32.exe" don't work without a special hack.  User-mode virtual drives (like the ones that Gizmo Central creates) are visible to either elevated programs or to non-elevated programs, not both.  Network access that was granted to non-elevated programs does not apply to elevated programs, and if the elevated program doesn't know to prompt for network login credentials, access is silently denied.
  18. Like Microsoft Office, Windows Explorer now uses the ugly "ribbon" interface that uses a pile of vertical space.  Now for all these wide-screen LCDs that are coming out, Microsoft is making the vertical viewing area even smaller.  In Windows 7, I always hid all the toolbars except for the menu bar and Classic Shell toolbar.  Everything could be done from there, and by using keyboard shortcuts.  Now I have to always expand a thick "ribbon" to do something as simple as change the view style (previously, that was a single button on my Classic Shell toolbar) or to open Folder Options.
  19. When doing file operations that prompt the user for input (like deleting or replacing a file), the prompting dialog frequently opens unfocused or minimized in the taskbar, making Explorer appear to be unresponsive.  In reality, it's waiting for me to answer a question that it is asking via a hidden dialog that I have to activate manually in order to see.
  20. They removed easy access to the desktop from the Open and Save dialogs.  If you want to go to the desktop, you have to click inside the file list (which is difficult because of the full-row selecting feature introduced in Windows Vista), and hold the backspace key down to navigate to the desktop.  I discovered this trying to help someone over the phone.  Way to go, Microsoft. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
  21. They keep changing the UI, making life harder for those of us who are trying to help people over forums or the phone, when the core functions haven't really changed that much.
  22. Windows Explorer now expects to have an Internet connection to provide live tile updates.  Sounds scary to me.  Once it gets that connection, it's anyone's guess what data it will transfer.  Yet another program (in addition to svchost) to add to my firewall's "Block all communication" category.
  23. Microsoft tries to trick the user into using a "Microsoft Account" by making the link for creating a local user account hard to see.  I want nothing to do with it.  I want my data stored on my computer.  And if I need a program, I'll go to the web and download it (or I'll write it myself in VB6).
  24. I can't drag'n'drop files from a ZIP folder into the Program Files folder.  It comes up with some unknown error.  I was trying to install VirtualDub.  No problems with doing that in Windows 7.  Probably UAC related. tongue.gif
  25. Windows 8 doesn't create an NTOSBOOT.pf file like previous versions of Windows did.  Now smart defragmenters cannot accurately ascertain the boot file loading order.  In addition, the Layout.ini used to get its information from those .pf files, so I don't know if it has accurate boot order information now either.  This is probably one of the reasons why I get a faster boot time from Windows 7 than Windows 8.  Most people probably don't cajole Windows 7 to update its boot order information (which can get months out of date, unlike XP), and then run a smart defragmenter on it like I do.
  26. When the Microsoft Direct Music synthesizer plays a MIDI file that is too loud, it crashes instead of playing back distorted sound.  But this synthesizer (plus a good soundfont that I made in the now unfortunately obsolete DirectMusic Producer) gives me the best sounding MIDI playback by far.
  27. Messages throughout the system say "tap here" instead of "click here."  I have no touchscreen and have no plans on getting one.  Windows, you're lying to me.
  28. The very useful Windows Experience Index feature introduced in Windows Vista was removed in Windows 8 SP1. mad.gif  It was a very useful tool for deciding what to upgrade first in a computer setup, or to objectively compare the capabilities of various computers without installing 3rd party software.
  29. The mandatory "Use XP style scaling" option was removed in Windows 8 SP1. doh.gif  Now most programs will will be upscaled in bitmap mode which will make then look blurry, thus circumventing the vary reason to use a high DPI in the first place (which is to make text easier to read on large displays).  The fix?  Manually disable display scaling in the compatibility tab for each program that appears blurred.  That will enable proper scaling for that program only.  It will not disable scaling, as the option suggests.  Major hassle if you use a bunch of small utility programs like I do.


    In other words, to me it is the worst OS upgrade that Microsoft has released since Vista.  I would like to be clear that I am not a "change basher"; if the changes are good, I'm excited—which is the whole reason to upgrade an existing system.  My first OS was Windows 98, and I have upgraded to 98SE, ME, XP SP3, 7, and 7 SP1.  Each one of these was noticeably better than its predecessor until I got to 8, which was a huge step in the wrong direction.  The problem is not me; I have yet to hear anyone say anything nice about Windows 8 in person (usually, they're asking me for help on how to tame this "beast" that came preinstalled in their new computer).

    FWIW, Windows 8 boots slower for me than Windows 7.  It also is more sluggish to respond to user input, instead of being snappy like XP or 7.  I did do a complete format/fresh install.
 
Edited by Techie007 - 4/12/14 at 1:33pm
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:-) I'm not going to argue with that last post. I've done multiple tests of fresh os install of 7 and 8. If you are saying 7 is faster than maybe your OS is cluttered or you didn't do a proper fresh install of 8. Just use any OS which you prefer using bottom line. I could rubbish Win 7 but I can't be bothered starting a flame war lol.
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win 8 starts faster......and that's it. if you have win 7 tweaked it runs faster then 8 does. and it doesn't force the metro crap theme on you. its pure total crap. I haven't bought it yet and I wont be buying it......no dx12, no need to "upgrade" if you can really call it an upgrade when it takes me another 20 seconds to get to the control panel when in win 7 I can hit start and click the control panel button and be in the control panel in less then 2
 
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I can get to the control panel with one mouse click in windows 8. So I turn on my pc wait 10 seconds for it to boot and click the left mouse button which takes 1 second. 11seconds from powering up I'm in control panel. Think I might leave this thread to the windows 7 fanboys. I like both win 7 and 8 in there own way but then again I have add least tried them both.
Edited by foreign03 - 6/16/13 at 8:44am
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I can get to the control panel with one mouse click in windows 8. So I turn on my pc wait 10 seconds for it to boot and click the left mouse button which takes 1 second. 11seconds from powering up I'm in control panel. Think I might leave this thread to the windows 7 fanboys. I like both win 7 and 8 in there own way but then again I have add least tried them both.

    Well, my BIOS alone takes 15 seconds to finish POST, so I'd lose by default!  I'm curious, are you booting from a HDD or a SSD?

    Oh, and BTW, how do you get to the control panel in one click in Windows 8?  Perhaps you installed Classic Shell, enabled "boot to desktop" and have a shortcut on your desktop for Control Panel?

    You know, I really don't need to say anything more about Windows 8.  The poll results basically agree that there is something fundamentally wrong with it — 78 % of the votes being "No" votes. wink.gif
 
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    Well, my BIOS alone takes 15 seconds to finish POST, so I'd lose by default!  I'm curious, are you booting from a HDD or a SSD?

    Oh, and BTW, how do you get to the control panel in one click in Windows 8?  Perhaps you installed Classic Shell, enabled "boot to desktop" and have a shortcut on your desktop for Control Panel?

    You know, I really don't need to say anything more about Windows 8.  The poll results basically agree that there is something fundamentally wrong with it — 78 % of the votes being "No" votes. wink.gif
 

If I had to pay money to get 8, it would be a No as well, even though I am using 8 on my main comp and I quite like it, and I don't have any start menu applications installed.

Not wanting to pay for it =/= not liking it.
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Yes it's a ssd just created a tile which links straight to control panel. But there are a few things about 8 which aren't user friendly. Hope they get it right in the next version.
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At the end of the day, i wont be buying Windows 8 simply due to it costing 69.99 for me (student). Why would i just throw that money away when Windows 7 works just fine. Maybe if they kept their 14.99 pricing at the first week of release would i switch to it. But why would i pay such an absurd amount for no REAL gain. Im sure there are tweaks to cater Windows 8 to each person, but at the end of the day its the pricing that will keep me from EVER running 8.
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Yes it's a ssd just created a tile which links straight to control panel. But there are a few things about 8 which aren't user friendly. Hope they get it right in the next version.

    Me too. smile.gif  I have no ulterior motive to hate Microsoft's newest OS.  So far, though, while 8.1 looks like an improvement over 8, it doesn't address a lot of the list I gave earlier, and probably won't beat 7 (IMHO).

    I thought I would point out that I'm not way off in my distaste for Windows 8: Go to Amazon.com and search for "Windows".  Notice how Windows 7 has a higher rating than Windows 8 all over the board.  And the scathing comments that Windows 8 receives are telling.

    My brother recently got a computer that came with Windows 8 preinstalled on it (he comes from Windows 7 SP1).  After a few weeks, I asked him how he liked it.  His response was classic: "It's a downgrade in every respect."  The only reason he hasn't upgraded it to Windows 7 is because of cost (it costs as much as the brand-new computer did).  Ouch, Microsoft.  I will add that both of us are super-advanced Windows users, and not novices by any chance.
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    Not going to buy Windows 8, because:

• NTFS driver seems to have a new bug that makes Windows 8 more susceptible to file cross-linking.
• Chkdsk says that a corrupted disk has no problems in Windows 8, but after going back to Windows 7, chkdsk fixed multiple problems including errors in the bitmap and cross-linked files.  I lost the files that Windows 8 corrupted by cross-linking. mad.gif
• Windows 8 is slower than Windows 7 (if it was faster for you, it's probably because your Windows 7 installation was cluttered).
• They removed the Start menu (I know about and used ClassicShell for a replacement; I also use it in Windows 7 because 7 only comes with the crippled XP style Start menu).
• The newfangled Start screen is ugly and not drag'n'drop compatible with the desktop or anything else, and it fills the screen, obscuring my work.
• Sometimes, various windows "hang" and stop refreshing their window contents (the programs continue to respond and do things, but their window contents are frozen).  Switching to the Start screen and back seems to temporarily fix the problem.
• The workflow is less efficient than in Windows 7.  I trialed Windows 8 for several months and got quite used to it (I thought), and then switched back to Windows 7 when I started experiencing file corruption.  It was instant relief: I had become used to something that was less efficient, and everything seemed to me so much more natural and easy in Windows 7, and Windows 7 was so much more responsive (snappy).
• I can't walk over to the locked computer, enter my login password rapid-fire, press [Enter] and have the screen fade in to my desktop, like I could in Windows 7.  In Windows 8, I have to wiggle the mouse, wait for the LCD screen to wake up, press a key to make the "cover" go away, and then I can enter my password.
• This operating system is the most bloated version of Windows yet.  I'll know that they have repented when the Windows setup disc is once again a single CD, like Windows XP SP3 did.
• Even more necessary background running processes than Windows 7 (which also took a step backwards from XP in this regard).  Each of these processes take time to start and kernel time to keep track of, regardless of the amount of CPU that they use.
• The ugly Metro apps are made up of thousands of tiny files, just like Microsoft's ugly .NET (which is Microsoft's second biggest mistake, IMHO).  These tiny files bloat the MFT and cause some folders to have huge B-tree structures that take more time to load and parse, slowing down the system.
• The Metro apps are slow and sluggish—not surprisingly—because they're written in ARM and are running in an emulator, and they're made of many tiny files.
• The Metro apps downgrade Windows back to DOS days, where you can't multi-task because one application fills the screen.  Why do they even call this crap "Windows" ?
• The graphic screen elements in Desktop mode look ugly and flat.  Windows 7 was definitely the pinnacle of the Aero experience, where command buttons look like real push-buttons.
• The logon screen is absolutely terrible.  A completely flat beige color with an ugly head icon (whatever happened to the nice user icons in XP, Vista and 7?) and a flat white area for a password box.  No edges, just flat and ugly.  I do like the clock on the cover screen though.
• Can't turn UAC off; even with it on "Don't notify", all programs are launched as standard user, and are only "elevated" when they request.  Some programs don't even know to request elevation.  Simple things like "regsvr32.exe" don't work without a special hack.

    In other words, to me it is the worst OS upgrade that Microsoft has released since Vista.  I would like to be clear that I am not a "change basher"; if the changes are good, I'm excited—which is the whole reason to upgrade an existing system.  My first OS was Windows 98, and I have upgraded to 98SE, ME, XP SP3, 7, and 7 SP1.  Each one of these was noticeably better than its predecessor until I got to 8, which was a huge step in the wrong direction.  The problem is not me; I have yet to hear anyone say anything nice about Windows 8 in person (usually, they're asking me for help on how to tame this "beast" that came preinstalled in their new computer).

    FWIW, Windows 8 boots slower for me than Windows 7.  The main reason may be that Microsoft did away with the NTOSBOOT.pf file, which my defragmenter uses to arrange the boot files optimally.  It has to "fall back" on the Layout.ini, which seems to have a slightly inferior layout.  It also is more sluggish to respond to user input, instead of being snappy like XP or 7.  I did do a complete format/fresh install.
 


I'm not claiming to know anything extra about windows 8. All I know about it is from one of my favorite podcasts by what the internet really considers the world's leading microsot fan boy (paul thurrott).
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• The Metro apps are slow and sluggish—not surprisingly—because they're written in ARM and are running in an emulator, and they're made of many tiny files.

I've never heard that before. In fact it's everything I've heard it's quite the opposite: when you go compile, it will compile for your target platform. Just check a box and it will make an arm-compatible version for that version of the app store etc. Since you made me doubt myself I did some minor searches and could find no evidence of metro/anything else running in an ARM emulator on windows 8.
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My first OS was Windows 98, and I have upgraded to 98SE, ME, XP SP3, 7, and 7 SP1.  Each one of these was noticeably better than its predecessor

Hmmm....First time...outside of paul thurrott that is...I've heard someone say ME is somehow better than something before it. Or anything for that matter. Either you're really young or there's a hole in your story wth.gif

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• Windows 8 is slower than Windows 7 (if it was faster for you, it's probably because your Windows 7 installation was cluttered).

Again, I don't have any personal experience with 8 for any significant length of time. But every comment/review/etc I've heard/read...universally, without fail, is that 8 is faster than 7. 100% of what I've heard/read. Without exception. Could've been your hard drive or a BIOS setting or...something. Just find it hard to believe 8 is slower than 7 when it is so universally said that it's the the other way around. If you were going to try 8 again I would say defragment it, scandisk-it, DBAN it and do a fresh install. I bet it would be faster smile.gif


Don't know enough to to say one way or the other on the rest of your bullet points. That ME thing though... rolleyes.gif

Don't take this the wrong way. Not trolling or trying to start a flame war. That was one epic rant...
 
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