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Nintendo's upcoming Wii U console may generate full HD graphics, but it's not up to the graphics power of the Xbox 360 or the PS3, according to developers familiar with the hardware who spoke on a condition of anonymity to GamesIndustry International.

"No, it's not up to the same level as the PS3 or the 360," said one developer who's been working with the Wii U. What does that mean? "The graphics are just not as powerful," reiterated the source.

This developer is not alone in their opinion. Another developer at a major company confirmed this point of view. "Yeah, that's true. It doesn't produce graphics as well as the PS3 or the 360," said the source. "There aren't as many shaders, it's not as capable. Sure, some things are better, mostly as a result of it being a more modern design. But overall the Wii U just can't quite keep up."

Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-02-wii-u-less-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say

This could be disastrous for Nintendo. While I was never sold on the concept, more and more the Wii U seems to be increasingly like a Wii revision than a new console. While i knew the console wasn't going to be a power house if this report is true it needs some serious revision to stay relevant upon release and not just in the graphics department.
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Since when do graphics matter? The Wii was the weakest last generation and it crushed every other console in sales.

Over 95,000,000 Wiis were sold as opposed to 62-65 million PS3's/360's.
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Hardware is only half the equation, though. If the quality of the titles remains high, then the Wii U will still be a runaway success. It probably won't generate the buzz that the Wii did simply because motion-control gaming is nothing new anymore.

It's up to the developers. We saw what the Wii could do: Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 looked stunning and ran at 60 fps constantly. Just because the hardware isn't up to snuff doesn't mean the console will flop.
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Since when do graphics matter? The Wii was the weakest last generation and it crushed every other console in sales.
Over 95,000,000 Wiis were sold as opposed to 62-65 million PS3's/360's.

And made a profit on every console sold

But this will likely mean that once again, 1st party titles will be the only draw to the system.
    
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Since when do graphics matter? The Wii was the weakest last generation and it crushed every other console in sales.
Over 95,000,000 Wiis were sold as opposed to 62-65 million PS3's/360's.

True, but the advantage of the Wii was the revolutionary motion control UI and mainstream accessible games.

The XBox Kinect basically nullifies this advantage and MS has been pushing mainstream games as well.
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The section about how controllers function with the system is the part I find most alarming. If it was sacrificing graphical horse power to really enable that tablet/controller to do something really special like stream a different part of a game to each controller then that would be fine but if the article is to be believed Nintendo is just giving us a Wii with Ipad functionality.
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Isn't the rumored GPU in the Wii U several generations better than those in the 360 or PS3? How could it perform that much worse?
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Since when do graphics matter? The Wii was the weakest last generation and it crushed every other console in sales.
Over 95,000,000 Wiis were sold as opposed to 62-65 million PS3's/360's.

Yes but software sales are also important, how many copies of Wii games were purchased vs. the other consoles I wonder?
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Yes but software sales are also important, how many copies of Wii games were purchased vs. the other consoles I wonder?

Another area where the Wii shined. It had some of the highest grossing games in video game history.

1 .Wii Sports: 79 Million Sold.

2. Mario Kart Wii: 32 Million Sold.

3. Wii Sports Resort: 30 Million Sold

4. Wii Play: 28 Million Sold

5. New Super Mario Bros: 25 Million Sold.

6. Wii Fit: 23 Million Sold



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To be fair, Wii Sports did come bundled with some consoles, but the rest were separate purchases.
Edited by frickfrock999 - 4/3/12 at 8:36am
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Isn't the rumored GPU in the Wii U several generations better than those in the 360 or PS3? How could it perform that much worse?

The rumors were that it was similar to an HD 4000 generation GPU, which sounds like it should be much more powerful than the 360 or PS3 GPU if it was similar to the 4870 but maybe it's closer to a 4550 or something.

I saw you listed Super Mario Bros before you edited your post Frickfrock, not exactly a Wii game wink.gif
Edited by Telimektar - 4/3/12 at 8:35am
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