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what realy? biggrin.gif

That does NOT help me smile.gif LOL

I would like to see some other people posts. I got a 7.7 in windows 440

For me the crazy thing is that I had ADATA XPG 1333 running at 1600 and it was doing 12g reads and 10g writes on my 555 overclocked to x4 3.9GHz (was stable further but huge power hog)

So why am I seeing what seems to me as being mediocre results?

Also 2 other things.

1: is it ok for my voltages to be getting as high as 1.55 when not under full load? I think this is normal but I am worried!

2: How come no one uses turbo mode when overclocking. I am getting up to 4.5GHz clocks with full stability using amd overdrive but even without AMD overdrive I am running 18x230 turbo and 17x230 standard and thats enough to see a measurable difference in PI when comparing a 1-3 thread load vs a 6 thread load. turn turbo off and that difference is gone. So not only can I see turbo on TMonitor and even on CPU-Z w/ enough time to validate it

So why no turbo? It seems common sense to me that I am using it correctely and I am going about testing it properly I am for the most part testing just like an i7 OCd Turbo would be tested.

So why am I one of the few? I mean why are people bothering pushing for that 100 extra MHZ on all cores when if I am playing Skyrim I can get an extra 200-500MHz? I am afraid that I am doing something harmful to my PC just because no one else does it!

I would run the 4.5GHz Turbo every day if there was atleast some information supporting that other AMD users are doing this! Instead I am just running a 230MHz boost as of right now! That could be a 10+% OC when running 3 cores or less (the way I would set it up)
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That does NOT help me smile.gif LOL
I would like to see some other people posts. I got a 7.7 in windows 440
For me the crazy thing is that I had ADATA XPG 1333 running at 1600 and it was doing 12g reads and 10g writes on my 555 overclocked to x4 3.9GHz (was stable further but huge power hog)
So why am I seeing what seems to me as being mediocre results?
Also 2 other things.
1: is it ok for my voltages to be getting as high as 1.55 when not under full load? I think this is normal but I am worried!
2: How come no one uses turbo mode when overclocking. I am getting up to 4.5GHz clocks with full stability using amd overdrive but even without AMD overdrive I am running 18x230 turbo and 17x230 standard and thats enough to see a measurable difference in PI when comparing a 1-3 thread load vs a 6 thread load. turn turbo off and that difference is gone. So not only can I see turbo on TMonitor and even on CPU-Z w/ enough time to validate it
So why no turbo? It seems common sense to me that I am using it correctely and I am going about testing it properly I am for the most part testing just like an i7 OCd Turbo would be tested.
So why am I one of the few? I mean why are people bothering pushing for that 100 extra MHZ on all cores when if I am playing Skyrim I can get an extra 200-500MHz? I am afraid that I am doing something harmful to my PC just because no one else does it!
I would run the 4.5GHz Turbo every day if there was atleast some information supporting that other AMD users are doing this! Instead I am just running a 230MHz boost as of right now! That could be a 10+% OC when running 3 cores or less (the way I would set it up)

440

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2323521
post #23 of 33
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That does NOT help me smile.gif LOL
I would like to see some other people posts. I got a 7.7 in windows 440
For me the crazy thing is that I had ADATA XPG 1333 running at 1600 and it was doing 12g reads and 10g writes on my 555 overclocked to x4 3.9GHz (was stable further but huge power hog)
So why am I seeing what seems to me as being mediocre results?
Also 2 other things.
1: is it ok for my voltages to be getting as high as 1.55 when not under full load? I think this is normal but I am worried!
2: How come no one uses turbo mode when overclocking. I am getting up to 4.5GHz clocks with full stability using amd overdrive but even without AMD overdrive I am running 18x230 turbo and 17x230 standard and thats enough to see a measurable difference in PI when comparing a 1-3 thread load vs a 6 thread load. turn turbo off and that difference is gone. So not only can I see turbo on TMonitor and even on CPU-Z w/ enough time to validate it
So why no turbo? It seems common sense to me that I am using it correctely and I am going about testing it properly I am for the most part testing just like an i7 OCd Turbo would be tested.
So why am I one of the few? I mean why are people bothering pushing for that 100 extra MHZ on all cores when if I am playing Skyrim I can get an extra 200-500MHz? I am afraid that I am doing something harmful to my PC just because no one else does it!
I would run the 4.5GHz Turbo every day if there was atleast some information supporting that other AMD users are doing this! Instead I am just running a 230MHz boost as of right now! That could be a 10+% OC when running 3 cores or less (the way I would set it up)

RAM speed 1600mhz and lower ram CL times
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My temps seem mighty fine with just the rasa rs240 cooling kit plus the high pressure tiny fan on the VRM heat sink in fact I would say I got plenty of room to go. I never exceed 50 on the vcore and it's rated past 90c and only intel burn test can put my socket past 50 and that's 5 or more degrees over my core temp so I think I'm good.

could you post the snaps of your VRM cooling ?
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could you post the snaps of your VRM cooling ?

You wanted snaps, no problem. Just FYI I used to have more to it. I had a 4500RPM capable 80mm Fan behind the motherboard with the side of the case off and had it aimed between the black bar supporting the vrm heat sink and the cpu socket. Also at the same time I had the fan I am using now which was removed from the after market xbox 360 cooler that my brother had laying around. I also tested another 80mm 4500RPM fan with a duct attached directly over the top of the VRM heat sink.

My conclusion from all my testing is that although using 2 80MM 4500RPM fans did huge amounts of cooling I did not want to have to cut into my case panels to make that a permanent solution. Instead I temporarily mounted one of the tiny fans to the water block so it would blow air right next to the VRM heat sink. These little fans are very powerful and have a lot of pressure which I believe is one of the most important things for cooling off the VRM sink.

I am also posting a picture of a graph showing you exactly how much one tiny well positioned fan is capable of doing. The graph shows the temps of my VCORE in blue and my CPU in yellow the load is being produced by intel burn test on maximum. The temps are with all my fans maxed out but the tiny little fan OFF so what is on is 2 PWM Cooler Master Blade Masters on my radiator running at 2000RPM and 2 XSPC fans running at 1600RPM in my case and one large 200MM cooler master 700RPM fan in front of the case.

The sudden drop in temperature is when I turn the tiny little fan on. As you can see by the graph reducing the VRM temp reduces the CPU temp drastically.

[251
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I have 2 of these fans and I am going to manufacture a bracket that holds the 2 of them over the top of the vrm heat sink. My honest opinion is that in my situation I would actually have better results doing this than water cooling the VRMs since water cooling them would reduce the effectiveness of my CPU cooling and because there is no Sabertooth specific waterblock. Also I do have the ability to buy high end fans at cost so I may actually buy similar fans that are the same size but 2x as thick and very high static pressure and also have the RPM wire and use those instead. I have not decided yet because my other option still is cutting a hole in the side of the case for a 80mm fan directely over the top but with a duct that ensures all of the air goes directly to the sink at its max pressure. I may also modify the duct to have a slot shape at the end to further increase the pressure over the top of the sinks

I believe that with this board you are nuts not to add cooling to the VRMs and not because the VRMs need the cooling but because it makes a big difference in the final CPU temp!


So yeh 14 degrees on what wasn't even that bad of a temp to begin with!!!
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You wanted snaps, no problem. Just FYI I used to have more to it. I had a 4500RPM capable 80mm Fan behind the motherboard with the side of the case off and had it aimed between the black bar supporting the vrm heat sink and the cpu socket. Also at the same time I had the fan I am using now which was removed from the after market xbox 360 cooler that my brother had laying around. I also tested another 80mm 4500RPM fan with a duct attached directly over the top of the VRM heat sink.
My conclusion from all my testing is that although using 2 80MM 4500RPM fans did huge amounts of cooling I did not want to have to cut into my case panels to make that a permanent solution. Instead I temporarily mounted one of the tiny fans to the water block so it would blow air right next to the VRM heat sink. These little fans are very powerful and have a lot of pressure which I believe is one of the most important things for cooling off the VRM sink.
I am also posting a picture of a graph showing you exactly how much one tiny well positioned fan is capable of doing. The graph shows the temps of my VCORE in blue and my CPU in yellow the load is being produced by intel burn test on maximum. The temps are with all my fans maxed out but the tiny little fan OFF so what is on is 2 PWM Cooler Master Blade Masters on my radiator running at 2000RPM and 2 XSPC fans running at 1600RPM in my case and one large 200MM cooler master 700RPM fan in front of the case.
The sudden drop in temperature is when I turn the tiny little fan on. As you can see by the graph reducing the VRM temp reduces the CPU temp drastically.
[251
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I have 2 of these fans and I am going to manufacture a bracket that holds the 2 of them over the top of the vrm heat sink. My honest opinion is that in my situation I would actually have better results doing this than water cooling the VRMs since water cooling them would reduce the effectiveness of my CPU cooling and because there is no Sabertooth specific waterblock. Also I do have the ability to buy high end fans at cost so I may actually buy similar fans that are the same size but 2x as thick and very high static pressure and also have the RPM wire and use those instead. I have not decided yet because my other option still is cutting a hole in the side of the case for a 80mm fan directely over the top but with a duct that ensures all of the air goes directly to the sink at its max pressure. I may also modify the duct to have a slot shape at the end to further increase the pressure over the top of the sinks
I believe that with this board you are nuts not to add cooling to the VRMs and not because the VRMs need the cooling but because it makes a big difference in the final CPU temp!
So yeh 14 degrees on what wasn't even that bad of a temp to begin with!!!

indeed it does. great explanation. are those rivets?
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Anybody have a good ram recommendation under $100? I bought this so that if I ended up buying a BD later on down the road I would have fast ram for it but as of right now I was happier with the ram I sold to someone for $25 lol!

I know the feeling..sold my stt ddr3-200 for $40 doh.gif
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It's your motherboard, as I have been having the same issues with RAM with my Asus M5A97.Bios update 1101 helped alot,but I'm still fighting the memory on this board. Thing that is driving me nuts is it keeps dropping a RAM slot if I push it to far,and you can't tell untill you boot into Windows,if it will. Also maxxmem scores are really low compared to other chips at similar speeds. There is a ton of extra RAM tweeks in bios that may help,but no one really seems to know what they are for or what to adjust. I'm really about to ditch this board and go back to my ASrock,which had none of these issues.
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It's your motherboard, as I have been having the same issues with RAM with my Asus M5A97.Bios update 1101 helped alot,but I'm still fighting the memory on this board. Thing that is driving me nuts is it keeps dropping a RAM slot if I push it to far,and you can't tell untill you boot into Windows,if it will. Also maxxmem scores are really low compared to other chips at similar speeds. There is a ton of extra RAM tweeks in bios that may help,but no one really seems to know what they are for or what to adjust. I'm really about to ditch this board and go back to my ASrock,which had none of these issues.

The ram dropping out in windows happens to me as well. I also had a M5A97 board with a 555 running at x4 3.8-4.0GHz and it did the same thing with dropping the ram.

@RDR09 no they are not rivets. The cpu block came with mounting hardware that has 4 screws sticking out from the board then you slide the block onto those and then put 4 springs on and 4 thumb screws. On the one screw I placed a shorter spring then the fan and then the thumb screw. I know thats kinda crazy but it holds the fan in the perfect place. Even better is that I could add a second fan on the peg below if I though I needed it. I may give it a try but with a 10-14c drop depending on the situation I think 1 fan is more than enough. ASUS says the VRM is good to 90c or more the only reason I am cooling them is to lower the cpu temp and just because I can.
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The ram dropping out in windows happens to me as well. I also had a M5A97 board with a 555 running at x4 3.8-4.0GHz and it did the same thing with dropping the ram.
@RDR09 no they are not rivets. The cpu block came with mounting hardware that has 4 screws sticking out from the board then you slide the block onto those and then put 4 springs on and 4 thumb screws. On the one screw I placed a shorter spring then the fan and then the thumb screw. I know thats kinda crazy but it holds the fan in the perfect place. Even better is that I could add a second fan on the peg below if I though I needed it. I may give it a try but with a 10-14c drop depending on the situation I think 1 fan is more than enough. ASUS says the VRM is good to 90c or more the only reason I am cooling them is to lower the cpu temp and just because I can.

I've found a fan on the back side if the motherboard helps as well. So far seems the RAM issues are voltage related.Seems to happen with higher voltages. I think it has something to do with Asus parameter recall. You find that after a BSOD or failed overclock you have to start over with your overclock,or power down and let sit for a few minutes.you start getting weird faults or cold boot issues.
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