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Edited by finkpal - 7/30/13 at 7:05pm
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Here is my New Build:

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I have yet to OC this set up, so Ill keep ya .[looks nice
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Hi every one including Me !!!!
After some testing I have got to this point.

Well additional problem is that I’m a can, and I do not like changes. If The MSI say that the BIOS 1.0 is for i7 3820 I do stick to it.
So the next day I have problem to build my PC and the system require me to press F1; So I do change the gear setting as BLCK to 106 and it does work, there after I do reset to 107 and it does work until the next morning.
Before I was able to set the BLCK to 105, but after the recommended by DeadlyDNA!! All steps I have got whatever the picture show.


Coincidentally I have purchased RIVE for 285 pound; so I will build my first PC on my own;
I have the PC box or case as COOLER MASTER RC-690 II ADVANCED, where I'm in intention to install the RIVE;
Any further suggestion as on the hardware I shall Go for;

My intention is to get i7 3820 on the RIVE and i7 3930 on Big Bang;

Welcome back Finkpal,
I believe the Bios version 1.0 may in fact implement support for i73820, but each Bios release after should also still include proper support.
I asked in i73820 overclocking thread and no one said they had a 3820 that did not do 1.25 gear ratio

I don't know if you missed this i posted in a reply back and was talking to 2 people in the post so you might have missed it, however
i was asking about your ram. i copied it below:



Finkpal, i've heard some people say i7 3820 can't do even strap 1.25, but not sure of any proof on it.

I suspect Ram to be more likely, but that's just a guess....

Can you try entering Manual Timing for you RAM -

Command Rate - Try both 2T first, and 1T during overclock attempts
TCL - 11
TRCD 11
TRP 11
TRAS 28

Leave rest on Auto

with Base clock at 120, and Cpu Base clock Ratio 1.25 Your DRAM timing mode 1333 should equal 1600 in active boot.

Im going to go back and look to see if i missed anything also, and last case i will try my ddr3 1600 but it is 1.65v so not exactly same but still it should simulate your setup closely.
Edited by DeadlyDNA - 2/16/13 at 10:26am View History


Its very strange for you not to be able to get 1.25 bclk to work. I think i am stumped, not sure if anyone else has some advice.

Also just a note but in Version 1.0 BIOS i see you have VDROOP Control option, and level 0 - 7, apparently people had confusion on that and found 0 was highest setting 7 lowest. see link below

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/msi-big-bang-xpower-ii_5.html#sect1 They talk about the setting in here.
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Edited by finkpal - 7/30/13 at 7:05pm
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Hallow Pal;
I do really appreciate yours assistance; I’m the type of person who does work with all I can achieve.
Right now I have got 4.6GHz stable work, and I’m happy with it.
I did as you have suggested;
TCL - 11
TRCD 11
TRP 11
TRAS 28
And still no strap 1.25; but it does not matter as far as I have got the clock speed at 4.6GHz;

Really what I have in question and I do believe, and it is as a matter of fact, I am in intention to work on speed of the Memory;
By my understanding; - More stick=harder to OC to higher frequency
OC higher frequency has no immediate impact on the i7 temperature;

But How this rule does apply to higher memory availability; is this directly proportional or inversely;
See below;
if sellers have for sell; Kingston HyperX Beast DDR3 2400MHz CL11 and for similar money I’m able to get memory such as;

16GB RAM Memory for SuperMicro SuperServer 5017R-WRF (DDR3-10600 - Reg) - Workstation Memory Upgrade from OFFTEK
OFFTEK Part Number :- FT16MKR72V3DLV
Capacity :- 16GB Module
Form Factor :- 240 Pin Dimm
Memory Type :- DDR3
Bandwidth :- DDR3-10600 (PC3-1333)
Memory Specs :- 240-pin DIMM DDR3 PC3-10600 CL=9 Dual Ranked Registered ECC DDR3-1333 1.35V 2048Meg x 72

The difference be just the speed in MHz’s
Which of these you are thinking be better?
At the end I think that this may solve the strap issue as 1.25.


Mostly the difference is the Speed the Ram operates, My best recommendation and i think most in Overclocking agree.. You want to have highest Speed in MHZ for case of overclocking if using gear ratio/base block adjustments. This is so when you use say 1.25 Strap/Gear ratio your Ram speed changes to faster operating speed. In short overclocking with Base clock/Gear Ratio your Ram increases speed along with CPU. If you used Ram strap/Memory strap to copensate for overclock generally you can get close to operating speed for RAM to increase stability

In the specific case of MSI Big Bang Xpower II
We use your screenshot as example:


You have your settings as highlighted by yellow arrows. The last arrow indicates your Actual ram speed. as a result of your settings.
Already it is Overclocked with 107 bus x1.0strap.
If you lower your DRAM Frequency = [1600] down to [1333] option
Memory speed would now be under Rated speed. This is usually Preferred for testing/overclocking CPU and Keeping ram Close to rated speed.

End result is this,

i7 3820 overclocks with Base Clock/ Gear Ratio/Multiplier

1600Mhz DDR3 uses following straps when not overclocked >1600mhz >1333Mhz>1066Mhz>800Mhz>

2400Mhz DDR3 uses following straps when not overclocked >2400Mhz>2133Mhz>1866Mhz>1600mhz >1333Mhz>1066Mhz>800Mhz>



More versatility when overclocking because more options to choose when using higher CPU Base clock/Gear Ratio/Multiplier.


when overclocking CPU keeping Ram speed under or around Rated factory speed helps eliminate Ram from problems that arise and focuses on CPU

Hope this helps as i try to best answer your question with my limited knowledge.
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Mostly the difference is the Speed the Ram operates, My best recommendation and i think most in Overclocking agree.. You want to have highest Speed in MHZ for case of overclocking if using gear ratio/base block adjustments. This is so when you use say 1.25 Strap/Gear ratio your Ram speed changes to faster operating speed. In short overclocking with Base clock/Gear Ratio your Ram increases speed along with CPU. If you used Ram strap/Memory strap to copensate for overclock generally you can get close to operating speed for RAM to increase stability
In the specific case of MSI Big Bang Xpower II
We use your screenshot as example:


You have your settings as highlighted by yellow arrows. The last arrow indicates your Actual ram speed. as a result of your settings.
Already it is Overclocked with 107 bus x1.0strap.
If you lower your DRAM Frequency = [1600] down to [1333] option
Memory speed would now be under Rated speed. This is usually Preferred for testing/overclocking CPU and Keeping ram Close to rated speed.

End result is this,

i7 3820 overclocks with Base Clock/ Gear Ratio/Multiplier

1600Mhz DDR3 uses following straps when not overclocked >1600mhz >1333Mhz>1066Mhz>800Mhz>

2400Mhz DDR3 uses following straps when not overclocked >2400Mhz>2133Mhz>1866Mhz>1600mhz >1333Mhz>1066Mhz>800Mhz>



More versatility when overclocking because more options to choose when using higher CPU Base clock/Gear Ratio/Multiplier.


when overclocking CPU keeping Ram speed under or around Rated factory speed helps eliminate Ram from problems that arise and focuses on CPU

Thanks again for exchanging opinion and thoughts.
After all I have return to - Our fellow - Sin0822 which explain on 2010-11 (little out of date);

Memory:
Please be aware memory clock is VERY dependent on the CPU. Unlike SB where every CPU could do 2133mhz, with SBe not many can do 2400mhz. It is also recommended that you buy a quad channel kit rated for your target clock.

So Quad it is the Best; I was wrong - Kip69 - full Honor in return;

BLCK Straps Section:
First we have to realize that SBe also has BLCK overclocking. SB also had slight BLCK overclocking; the base frequency of 100 MHz could be OCed 5-7%. The same thing is possible with SBe, so you could look at 106-107 MHz BLCK on average. The issue with going higher is that the BLCK is now tied to the PCI-E bus and DMI. You can corrupt your OS and your GPUs by increasing the BLCK too much. Otherwise the CPU also won’t want to do it either. So Intel introduced BLCK straps, multipliers really, at 1.00(stock), 1.25, 1.67, and 2.5.

So final CPU frequency = CPU Multiplier X BLCK X BLCK Strap.
Memory Frequency= Memory Multiplier X BLCK X BLCK Strap

Since the memory frequency is also tied to the BLCK Strap you need to pay attention to it. Most users will just OC with 1.00 BLCK Multiplier, as it is easier. BLCK straps of course let you use frequencies like 2000 MHz memory speed that previously were very hard/impossible to produce. Also the BLCK multipliers don’t really increase performance, how do I know? Well I tested it. I asked myself the question, “at what frequency can I use the 1.00 and 1.25 multipliers, but also have the same memory and CPU frequency?” Answer: 4.00 GHz CPU and 1333 MHz Memory, here were my results:

It seems that the BLCK straps are virtual. They do however offer the benefit of hitting frequencies that cannot be done with stock multipliers. For instance if you want to get 2000 MHz memory, you have to use a strap.

There after I went to these web pages;
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Standard-DRAM-Memory-Knowledge/tkb-p/dram%40tkb?attentionState=no_filter&breadCrumb=%5B++%7B++++%22label%22+%3A+%22buying+memory%22%2C++++%22fieldName%22+%3A+%22labels_buying+memory%22++%7D%5D&labels=buying+memory&publishRangeTime=0&restrictionStates=no_filter&search_type=message


http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Standard-DRAM-Memory-Knowledge/DRAM-upgrades-Replacing-current-memory-or-adding-more/ta-p/67603

http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Standard-DRAM-Memory-Knowledge/Choosing-the-right-DRAM/ta-p/63727

So I have realize that the 16GB or 32 GB memory are built for servers;

Finally and according to my understanding;

The report said this menu is useful for finding out if you need more DRAM, but does not tell you if the memory you have is fast enough to meet your needs. For that, there are free software programs available to help users identify how their device performs. According to the report, CPU-Z is one of the best programs available. After downloading it, users simply need to go to the SPD tab to get the details they need about their memory.
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I have a quick question.

I will be mounting this motherboard in a Caselabs case with reverse ATX (Motherboard upside down). Will this have a negative impact on the chipset cooler?
If so, a lot? Or can you neglect it if youy have a nice airflow?

I also asked on the MSI forum, but... well let's just say they don't know about this stuff in general.

I am asking because I remeber a DFI X58 board I had which was also mounted in a reverse ATX case and the chipset got really, really hot. But that was like ages ago.

And what are normal chipset temperatures for this board? And what's hot?
     
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I have a quick question.

I will be mounting this motherboard in a Caselabs case with reverse ATX (Motherboard upside down). Will this have a negative impact on the chipset cooler?
If so, a lot? Or can you neglect it if youy have a nice airflow?

I also asked on the MSI forum, but... well let's just say they don't know about this stuff in general.

I am asking because I remeber a DFI X58 board I had which was also mounted in a reverse ATX case and the chipset got really, really hot. But that was like ages ago.

And what are normal chipset temperatures for this board? And what's hot?

Isn't this the same case?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1262433/new-gaming-rig-case-labs-sth10
What do you mean upside down? do you mean the Mobo is facing in?

As for temps & cooling (unclear what you're using), if you have a fan blowing over the machine-gun heatsink, temps will not be an issue.
Since MSI doesn't use Offset voltage, idle CPU temps maybe a little higher than average (which is normal).
I had it up to 4.8GHz on Air with no throttling after 12 hours of Prime95 (HT enabled) so the VRMs can take it with stock cooling.
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Isn't this the same case?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1262433/new-gaming-rig-case-labs-sth10
What do you mean upside down? do you mean the Mobo is facing in?

As for temps & cooling (unclear what you're using), if you have a fan blowing over the machine-gun heatsink, temps will not be an issue.
Since MSI doesn't use Offset voltage, idle CPU temps maybe a little higher than average (which is normal).
I had it up to 4.8GHz on Air with no throttling after 12 hours of Prime95 (HT enabled) so the VRMs can take it with stock cooling.

Yes thats the case, but you have an option of 'reverse ATX'-layout. Which I opted for.

And with reverse ATX I mean this.
Because my PC will be located on the left side (with windowed panel on the right).

This is how the board will be in my case: MSI Big Bang X79 [upside down] 5238k .png file
As you can see on the picture the motherboard is upside down (CPU is located at the bottom instead of the top). This will also mean the heatsink on the chipset will be upside down.

I am not planning to put a fan on directly close or on the chipset heatsink (or VRM heatsink), but I will have an airflow from the front to the back (maybe from the bottom to the top as well.

And CPU temperatures will not be an issue because I am going to watercool it anyways, just wondering if I also should watercool the chipset and VRM chips as well. However that would be expensive as I am already on 550 Euro on watercooling equipment and don't want to fork out another 150 Euro for equipment at the moment.
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