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Sorry, I wrote that in a hurry. Yes, if you choose "No, I will select my own fans" you get a 19 dollar discount. Also, you can get another (or two) tailed 4pin 3mm LED instead of putting in the blue ones, or just solder them on if you want to save money.
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*shrugs* The Raystorm Extreme kits contain the exact parts that many people pick when doing a custom loop, and there's nothing included that I'd expect to fail any faster than anything you bought separately. They're noticeably cheaper than buying the same parts separately, so unless you just didn't want compression fittings or a bay reservoir there's really no reason not to get them. Even the Rasa kits aren't a bad purchase, while the Rasa cpu block isn't one of the current top performers, it's still a great cpu block that performs as well or better than the last generation of blocks, which plenty of people still run.
You'd have to start looking into used parts to beat the Raystorm Extreme kits, and even if you scrapped compression fittings it's unlikely you'd beat the price buying new. Unless you don't want a bay res, it's what I'd suggest you pick up to start with. The pump, cpu block, and radiator are all top-notch, and you can easily pick up a GPU block or two and some different tubing and still come out cheaper than if you were buying all the parts individually.

I am sure that kit will be good _enough_, but I'd seriously consider replacing the tube and fans. Going cheap and being restricted to predefined kit choices is not how I would approach a waterloop, that's all. Just my 2cents.gif
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The XSPC fans are actually surprisingly good, certainly no worse than the yate loons that people recommend on a budget, and as mentioned, you can get the kit without the fans. The tubing I'm not familiar with, I don't know if it's the same as the Rasa kits which has a reputation for not being great, but it's not like it costs you an arm and a leg to replace (or even brings you up to the cost of putting it together individually). It's not that the Raystorm Extreme kit is "good enough," it's that it's the exact same parts that get recommended here time and time again.

Obviously, if the bay reservoir isn't the look you want, or you need a bigger radiator than they offer, the kit isn't going to be the way to go. However, if you make a thread asking people what parts they'd recommend, I can promise that the 655 pump, the Raystorm cpu block, and the RX-series of radiators will all be listed in there. Once you get to the high end water cooling parts, they perform very similarly, and the decision comes down to price, brand loyalty, or looks. If price is high on the concern list, the Raystorm Extreme kit is very hard to beat. For most people, budget is at least somewhat of a concern, and you're not sacrificing performance here to save money. Spending $400-500 so that you get a fancier res, some rotary fittings, and some Gentle Typhoons is going to net you VERY little performance over the $300 kit. If the bling is worth it to you, though, don't let me stop you. tongue.gif
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The XSPC fans are actually surprisingly good, certainly no worse than the yate loons that people recommend on a budget, and as mentioned, you can get the kit without the fans. The tubing I'm not familiar with, I don't know if it's the same as the Rasa kits which has a reputation for not being great, but it's not like it costs you an arm and a leg to replace (or even brings you up to the cost of putting it together individually). It's not that the Raystorm Extreme kit is "good enough," it's that it's the exact same parts that get recommended here time and time again.
Obviously, if the bay reservoir isn't the look you want, or you need a bigger radiator than they offer, the kit isn't going to be the way to go. However, if you make a thread asking people what parts they'd recommend, I can promise that the 655 pump, the Raystorm cpu block, and the RX-series of radiators will all be listed in there. Once you get to the high end water cooling parts, they perform very similarly, and the decision comes down to price, brand loyalty, or looks. If price is high on the concern list, the Raystorm Extreme kit is very hard to beat. For most people, budget is at least somewhat of a concern, and you're not sacrificing performance here to save money. Spending $400-500 so that you get a fancier res, some rotary fittings, and some Gentle Typhoons is going to net you VERY little performance over the $300 kit. If the bling is worth it to you, though, don't let me stop you. tongue.gif

Perhaps instead of trying to argue with me, you could have been informing the OP that the Noctua P12s have poor static pressure, and as such, will perform quite poorly when pushing or pulling through a radiator. thumb.gif

Also, performance (static pressure, since we're talking about fans for rads) to noise ratio is the reason why people buy Gentile Typhoons--it's not because they are 'bling,' lol there are MUCH better looking fans out there. Want to know why I have 4 AP-15s on my rig? It has NOTHING to do with looks, brand loyalty or price. It is called 'performance and noise.' This is why I can run a 5ghz 2500k, a mosfet block, and two 7970 GPUs clocked at 1200Mhz on a single RX480 radiator and still keep my temps in check, quietly. Choosing the right parts _does_ matter. My entire rig is able to get by with only 4 quiet fans... And it is because I got four _proper_ fans for the application in which they were to be used. Apply this same methodology to the entire loop and I am sure you can see where I am going with this...

But in the end, P12s pushing through the low FPI RX on a CPU only loop will likely have 'good enough' performance, and keep one out of thermal runaway land. If one starts adding GPUs to the loop and overclocks really high, they will likely start to run into issues, though. The fans are super-quiet, so in that regard, they are not _all_ bad, just don't expect groundbreaking performance on a rad with them. The little staggered teeth on the fan blades are quite neat, too. On another note, if they are ever swapped out for something better, they make great case fans. I am not saying this because I read it somewhere, either, I am saying this about these fans because I actually _have_ some, and have tried them on a radiator. I was not pleased with the result.

I would recommend Gentle Typhoon AP-15, or as an alternative, Medium Yates if you're trying to save some money.
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Perhaps instead of trying to argue with me, you could have been informing the OP that the Noctua P12s have poor static pressure, and as such, will perform quite poorly when pushing or pulling through a radiator. thumb.gif
Also, performance (static pressure, since we're talking about fans for rads) to noise ratio is the reason why people buy Gentile Typhoons--it's not because they are 'bling,' lol there are MUCH better looking fans out there. Want to know why I have 4 AP-15s on my rig? It has NOTHING to do with looks, brand loyalty or price. It is called 'performance and noise.' This is why I can run a 5ghz 2500k, a mosfet block, and two 7970 GPUs clocked at 1200Mhz on a single RX480 radiator and still keep my temps in check, quietly. Choosing the right parts _does_ matter. My entire rig is able to get by with only 4 quiet fans... And it is because I got four _proper_ fans for the application in which they were to be used. Apply this same methodology to the entire loop and I am sure you can see where I am going with this...
But in the end, P12s pushing through the low FPI RX on a CPU only loop will likely have 'good enough' performance, and keep one out of thermal runaway land. If one starts adding GPUs to the loop and overclocks really high, they will likely start to run into issues, though. The fans are super-quiet, so in that regard, they are not _all_ bad, just don't expect groundbreaking performance on a rad with them. The little staggered teeth on the fan blades are quite neat, too. On another note, if they are ever swapped out for something better, they make great case fans. I am not saying this because I read it somewhere, either, I am saying this about these fans because I actually _have_ some, and have tried them on a radiator. I was not pleased with the result.
I would recommend Gentle Typhoon AP-15, or as an alternative, Medium Yates if you're trying to save some money.

I am the one with p-12s, I also wasn't arguing, is the p-12 that bad? 3:o
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The Static pressure rating for the gentle typhoon 1850rpm is 2.06 mmH2O and the noctua nf-p12 1300rpm is 1.68mmh2o
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I got the rasa rx240 kit about a year ago and the rad and cpu block seemed decent. However, after 3 months I found out the hard way where they cut corners to get the low price when the pump failed on me. Thankfully i spent some money and got myself a digital flow meter so it shut down my system instantly and nothing was harmed. Learned my lesson and replaced the res/pump combo with a better and reliable D5.

Word to the wise if you get this kit make sure you have some sort of fail safe in case the pump dies so you don't loose your cpu.
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The Static pressure rating for the gentle typhoon 1850rpm is 2.06 mmH2O and the noctua nf-p12 1300rpm is 1.68mmh2o

Martin did a round-up on 30 fans a while ago. Unfortunately it doesn't have the P12s, and it's a tad-bit old, but still quite useful:

http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/936/30x-120mm-Fans-Roundup-Tested-on-WC-Radiator/32#axzz1rBuvp0y8

If you take a peek at the graphs, it'll help to understand why AP-15s are constantly selling-out at resellers, and why they are recommended so often.
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Perhaps instead of trying to argue with me, you could have been informing the OP that the Noctua P12s have poor static pressure, and as such, will perform quite poorly when pushing or pulling through a radiator. thumb.gif
Also, performance (static pressure, since we're talking about fans for rads) to noise ratio is the reason why people buy Gentile Typhoons--it's not because they are 'bling,' lol there are MUCH better looking fans out there. Want to know why I have 4 AP-15s on my rig? It has NOTHING to do with looks, brand loyalty or price. It is called 'performance and noise.' This is why I can run a 5ghz 2500k, a mosfet block, and two 7970 GPUs clocked at 1200Mhz on a single RX480 radiator and still keep my temps in check, quietly. Choosing the right parts _does_ matter. My entire rig is able to get by with only 4 quiet fans... And it is because I got four _proper_ fans for the application in which they were to be used. Apply this same methodology to the entire loop and I am sure you can see where I am going with this...
But in the end, P12s pushing through the low FPI RX on a CPU only loop will likely have 'good enough' performance, and keep one out of thermal runaway land. If one starts adding GPUs to the loop and overclocks really high, they will likely start to run into issues, though. The fans are super-quiet, so in that regard, they are not _all_ bad, just don't expect groundbreaking performance on a rad with them. The little staggered teeth on the fan blades are quite neat, too. On another note, if they are ever swapped out for something better, they make great case fans. I am not saying this because I read it somewhere, either, I am saying this about these fans because I actually _have_ some, and have tried them on a radiator. I was not pleased with the result.
I would recommend Gentle Typhoon AP-15, or as an alternative, Medium Yates if you're trying to save some money.

RX480 is many one tier above the RX360 right? So would you recommend the RX360 with some nice fans (maybe ap 15) for a single gpu and cpu loop?
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RX480 is how many one tier above the RX360 right? So would you recommend the RX360 with some nice fans (maybe ap 15) for a single gpu and cpu loop?

Yeah, the rx480 is 120mm taller, so you'd have 4 fans in either push or pull, or both. I would use an rx360 on a loop with a cpu and single gpu. If you wanted to go with slower fans, and have room, could always do two rx240s, too.
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AMD FX 8120 @ 4.8Ghz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX MSI Geforce GTX680 #1 MSI Geforce GTX680 #2 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
PowerColor 7970 ref. (Backup card...) 16 GB Corsair Vengeance PC3 12800 Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM Crucial 128GB M4 SSD 6Gb/s 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
None PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing 1/1" ID 3/4... Swiftech MCP655 Koolance VID-NX680 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Koolance VID-NX680 Danger Den Monsoon D5 Bay Reservoir Enzotech Compression Fittings Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-15 x4 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
EK-Supreme HF XSPC RX480 Win 7 Ultimate 64bit Acer 23" 1080p S232HL #1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Acer 23" 1080p S232HL #2 Acer 23" 1080p S232HL #3 Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Mechanical Keyboard Seasonic X750 Gold 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Danger Den 26  Razer Deathadder My cat, or other small, furry creatures. Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium 
Audio
Sennheiser HD555 Headphones 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II 955 Black Edition ASUS Crosshair iv Formula SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6950 2GB (unlocked) - ref Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM None NZXT havik Win 7 Ultimate 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 19" LCD Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Mechanical Keyboard  CORSAIR TX650 Antec 902 
MouseAudio
Razer Naga M-Audio Studiophile AV40 Powered Monitor Speakers 
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