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Better off with 64GB SSD and HDD.
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Originally Posted by KuuFA View Post

OCN market place. lol sorry for the confusion. If you are set on buying it then buy it, For the price it is now it is not worth it.

Yeah for the price is not worth it right now.

Look martket place here like he said. I just sold here a 2TB Sata III no warranty refurb WD black for $90 shipped and a Samsung F3 1TB for like $80 and
I've seen them as low as $70 here not too long ago. Maybe you can get someone to ship it to CA if you pay a bit more. Then you can get an SSD for OS.
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Maybe... I dont like used hard drives.
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I wouldn't buy one of those for a Desktop. It doesn't sit right with me having 18ms access times for non-cached stuff. It does boot fast, but I'd take a 1TB+ Black over one of those. After all, the 1TB Black is going to have sub-10ms access times within the first 500GB of data, so effectively it's more than twice as fast for uncached stuff. That means you get a less stuttery experience in games, for example.

They're not bad for laptop drives, but I don't feel the price premium is worth it for desktops. Not when you could toss a cheap SSD in your rig and get far bigger bang for your buck.

P.S. http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=50895&vpn=WD1002FAEX&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD&promoid=1101
     
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post #15 of 26
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18ms access time.. Its a 7200 rpm drive with a 32mb cache... And i was pritty sure the 2nd gen at least dosnt spin down
post #16 of 26
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18ms access time.. Its a 7200 rpm drive with a 32mb cache... And i was pritty sure the 2nd gen at least dosnt spin down
True - but it's also 2.5" and has access times identical to Seagate's 5400RPM lines. It really relies on the caching for speed. I'm not kidding about the Black being twice as fast for uncached data - it might even be more than that.
     
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post #17 of 26
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How does a 7200 rpm drive have the same acces times as a 5400rpm one? This isnt sb vs bulldozer here, i think we can compear rpm. 5400 is less the 7200.. How does being 2.5inch affect it?
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5160/seagate-2nd-generation-momentus-xt-750gb-hybrid-hdd-review/2

In this review the non-cached preformance seems very close to the barracuda, with cached performance being close to a sata ii ssd.
post #19 of 26
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You could be very right i dont know but what ive seen on specs and what ive seen on other reviews/benchmarks dosnt add up with why your saying. Are you sure your thinking of the 2gen momentus xt?
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How does a 7200 rpm drive have the same acces times as a 5400rpm one? This isnt sb vs bulldozer here, i think we can compear rpm. 5400 is less the 7200.. How does being 2.5inch affect it?
Access times aren't that dependant on RPM. Sure, it affects how fast it can go - but most drives are tuned in the firmware to seek conservatively. (AKA slow)

10000RPM = 166.67 RPS = 6ms per rotation.
7200RPM = 120 RPS = 8.33ms per rotation.
5400RPM = 90 RPS = 11.11ms per rotation.

Western Digital:
Most 10k RPM Velociraptors have ~7ms access times.

Most 3.5" 7.2k RPM drives have 12 - 13.5ms access times.
Most 2.5" 7.2k RPM drives have ~15ms access times.

Most 3.5" 5.4k RPM drives have 15 - 17.5ms access times.
Most 2.5" 5.4k RPM drives have ~17.5ms access times.

Hitachi:
Most 3.5" 7.2k RPM drives have 16 - 17.5ms access times.
Most 3.5" 5.4k RPM drives have 16 - 17.5ms access times.

Seagate:
Most 3.5" 7.2k RPM drives have 13 - 14ms access times.
Most 2.5" 7.2k RPM drives have ~17ms access times.

Most 3.5" 5.9k RPM drives have 16 - 18ms access times.
Most 2.5" 5.4k RPM drives have ~17ms access times.


For every read or write there should be roughly a 50/50 chance that data will land in front of the head or behind it, so the average latency for the data to pass under the head should match the rotation time.

So why then can Velociraptors get within 1ms of their rotational latency, Blacks within 4ms, and yet 5400RPM drives are only within ~8ms of it?

Probably because the firmware is tuned conservatively. Remember that Green drives are supposed to be low power and quiet - they move the head where it needs to go much slower. It just mosies over to the right spot at its own pace, and if it takes an extra rotation, that's fine. Likewise, for laptop drives they don't want excessive vibration, so the head seeks are tuned to be slower and safer.

These conservative/lazy head movements skew access times higher. Any drive can be tuned that way, regardless of RPM. You can even force fast drives to have similarly high access times by enabling AAM for them.

Most people wouldn't understand that more aggressive head movements might be unsafe in a laptop, so companies use RPM as a marketing explanation. (same as Cache) Likewise, few people consider that WD Blacks have superior NCQ algorithms in the firmware, and may perform twice as fast as other 7200RPM drives at high queue depths. (It really shows when cold-starting Firefox) There's so many factors to a drive's performance, but most are unadvertised and locked away in the firmware. RPM and Cache are just the explanations they give us...
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