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I think the old adage "ignorance is bliss" pretty much sums things up in here.
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post #102 of 366
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Originally Posted by Psycho Homer View Post

You have been arguing that AV's software should be essential and everyone should have it. Then you had a new post quoting no other post as a reference showing a MBR Rootkit that no AV could detect. What point am I missing? If you are referring to you later post where you mentioned people are ignorant to think you can't get a serious infection from just web browsing, I do agree with that. I see it multiple times a day.

The point is that malware and viruses don't just come from 'dodgy sites' and can easily come from 'trusted sites'.
post #103 of 366
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

UAC is fine when it's tweaked and UAC is fine in Windows 7. UAC is far from intrusive in Windows 7.
Also it's called heuristics. i.e. Protecting you from viruses unknown in the database based on patterns in the virus code. Basically like criminal profiling in real life when hunting a killer.

They also dumbed down UAC a lot from Vista to 7 and killed a lot of what it was trying to protect. And them making it less intrusive also killed it.

And the heuristics don't do nearly enough since most of the really nasty stuff can more than easily make it's way through. It's great for your average joe almost to the point of skid type of virus/malware/etc, that's just copied/modified slightly, but against something that matters, it won't protect that much.
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They also dumbed down UAC a lot from Vista to 7 and killed a lot of what it was trying to protect. And them making it less intrusive also killed it.
And the heuristics don't do nearly enough since most of the really nasty stuff can more than easily make it's way through. It's great for your average joe almost to the point of skid type of virus/malware/etc, that's just copied/modified slightly, but against something that matters, it won't protect that much.

Thus why you have more than one layer of protection. Also [need citation] for the decrease of UAC effectiveness from Vista to Win7.
post #105 of 366
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And you'd be more likely to get an STD because you think "I'm using a condom, so I don't have to be as selective in my sexual partners".
Realtime antivirus projection is useless. You don't just "get" viruses these days. The only way to do that is by browsing suspicious sites using an outdated version of Internet Explorer. Viruses infect computers because the users execute infected files. Don't want to get infected? Don't open unverified exe files without scanning them first. Don't want to get STDs? Don't sleep around.

LOL!! It amazes me how uninformed some people are. Your sexual partner can have regular check-ups, be completely faithful, and STILL give you a bacterial infection that's nothing but a slightly lesser version of an VD. The body is a very complex machine after-all.

Anyways, more websites than you can count get infected. You don't have to execute anything - that's an old myth. The infected legitimate website can place something in your cookies/temp folder and you're infected without even knowing it. People keep spewing that garbage about "trusted websites" - so major corporations and even government websites can get hacked but the sites you frequent are too awesome for that? Let me guess... those websites were ran by "dumb people" so that could never happen to you right?
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post

The exploit only worked on a year old version of Java, and well...
What good is realtime protection if it doesn't do anything? So we have a virus that only infected people with really old versions of Java who visited the site within a 3 hour time period and if they did their antivirus software wouldn't have caught it or been able to do anything about it.
USELESS

You're right.

Don't wear a seat belt, don't use condoms, and don't worry about anti-virus protection. Superior intellectual beings like yourself are far too smart to ever encounter unforeseen circumstances. You might as well cancel your medical, life, and homeowners insurance - it isn't like you're going to need it. smile.gif
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Ever heard of a botnet? They're not tricking people into downloading freeporn.exe. These are sophisticated programs that spread silently and often with the end user never knowing.
To all the people who "don't need an antivirus"... its not herpes, you're not going to feel an itch. You could still be giving access to your rig, personal information, or participating in a DDoS without your knowledge. Even trusted sites like OCN can be hit by a drive-by download once in a blue moon...

And routine virus scans wouldn't catch these? The 1% of viruses that can beat a browser like Firefox or Chrome aren't going to be detected by antivirus software until well after the fact (like in the example chinesekiwi provided) so your information is already compromised.


I'm just saying, whats the point of having a program that in reality only messes with legitimate programs and locks you out of your own computer when it gets a false positive?
    
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Thus why you have more than one layer of protection. Also [need citation] for the decrease of UAC effectiveness from Vista to Win7.

Still better to first secure the OS properly first, then worry about programs to cover the few holes that can't be completely covered by the OS itself.

And Microsoft has already admitted to how bad UAC was/is. Allowing 3rd party programs to slip under it's radar, and even allowing viruses to disable it completely. Holes they left in there designed for them to have access when they need to, that got abused by others. It's the same thing with Windows in general. Microsoft left blatant holes in the OS and those have been abused, and they admit it and still refuse to fix them.

Not to bash on Microsoft or turn this into an OS war, but you're using an OS that almost designed to have viruses. Then worrying about getting viruses. ( sure there's gaming and that's what's keeping a good chunk of people on Windows, but with OpenGL continually keeping up/passing DirectX, all it would take is the numbers to make devs/publishers need, not want, to programs games to be crossplatform ) They could easily design their OS to be more secure, yet they're more worried about getting Metro implemented and continuing to ignore peoples opinions. How many OS versions has Microsoft released with the same backdoors? Just about all of them.
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And routine virus scans wouldn't catch these? The 1% of viruses that can beat a browser like Firefox or Chrome aren't going to be detected by antivirus software until well after the fact (like in the example chinesekiI'm just saying, whats the point of having a program that in reality only messes with legitimate programs and locks you out of your own computer when it gets a false positive?
That's just it - there are suites out there that don't interfere with you using your computer and almost never produce false positives. And, even when they do, they surely don't "lock you out of you own computer."

There's plenty of crap imitating and trying to cash in on the good examples, just like any other piece of software out there. You just have to know which one(s) to use. That's been thoroughly gone over in this thread and I don't see you caring anyway, so I won't bother going into that.
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Ok thanks for pointing this out.
Avira seems to be a good AV option?
What about a good firewall?

Avira is average AV. If you want good AV chek out Kaspersky, Norton, Bitdefender, Emsisoft Internet security etc.

Good firewall? Comodo & Online armor.
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And routine virus scans wouldn't catch these? The 1% of viruses that can beat a browser like Firefox or Chrome aren't going to be detected by antivirus software until well after the fact (like in the example chinesekiwi provided) so your information is already compromised.


I'm just saying, whats the point of having a program that in reality only messes with legitimate programs and locks you out of your own computer when it gets a false positive?

What program (AV) is locking you out of your computer? Since when have you been locked out of stuff? I mean, who is running such old copies of Norton Utilities or Systemworks, or Norton AV that definitely in the old days would lock you out? Come on now... Seriously - MSE, Aviar, AVG, none of them are locking you out of your computer/legitimate files. So you claim to have installed an AV program a few months ago because you had a quad core and 12GB of RAM and it disabled your Diablo2 maphack thing.

I find that hard to believe that:

A) Your 'open source' material was 100% clean is possibly not as clean as you think.
B) You didn't really install an AV program and are only saying to did to add backing to your agrument.
C) The program you installed actually did find a legitimate problem but you failed to acknowledge it.

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