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That was a good read, thanks for taking the time to come up with a well thought out and detailed response smile.gif
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You do understand these engines run constant scans around the clock on your machine, even during boot time? You do understand these engines scan possible suspected file types during runtime to make sure your not executing a virus by mistake? You do understand this is adding a few milliseconds before the launch of each application? I think maybe most of you have ran antivirus engines ever since you first owned a computer. And don't know the difference between a machine with and a machine without, simply because you never ran your machine at its full without one. If your running a i5 2500k @ 4.5Ghz with a SATA III SSD then obviously a antivirus means nothing to you in terms of performance hindering. But still to this day less then 20% of the desktop PC's in the world actually have a solid state drive in them. Think of each time you run chrome/firefox your virus guard is scanning that binary right before its launched for possible bad signatures. How many signatures exist in a virus database? A million? more? That's a lot of information to load and process in a short amount of time, all the time. You can now see where and why antivirus guards hinder performance on lots of machines.
I had two pcs. A single core pc and a core2quad. Neither were hindered by my AV at all and they were both quite old and did not have a near fresh install. In fact, prob over 3 years from fresh, on xp. I used to run em without AV. They run just as fast with AV. Also, you could have been using 2500k as generic reference, but I have one in my sig rig ^^ no ssd, though im interested in one.
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It hurts performance on my not top of the line gear by alot.
I say your stupid if you have to run av to feel safe if you are going down the name calling road.

Look at what I wrote to the guy above. I honestly dont believe it hinders your pc at all. Didnt hinder an old pentium or c2q.....
Sorry if I offended you.
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Real man don't need antivirus!
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It depends on what you do with your system. There can be up to a 20% hit on games that access the HDD alot on my dualcore setups. I am running off of laptop type HDD's though (as I had two laptops die due to the infamous NVidia solder issue).
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doh.gif False positives man.

You sure? I mean, it was a registry key. I know what false positives are. Mostly keygens or crack executables for pirated games, but I've never experienced one with a legit download. Well, as much as I hate iTunes, I know it's a legit piece of software, so a registry key belonging to the .exe file certainly got me worried.
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Now if only there were a way for people to practice common sense when they use teh interwebz... smile.gif

Okay, joking aside, sometimes things slip through--that's understandable. I would say that smart browsing/internet usage takes care of about 99.5% of the potential problems people can have with malware, viruses, etc., and antivirus only works on about 0.5% of it.

No no, you make a solid point. Most of these problems are due to poor practise from the consumer. Unfortunately, our current practises to informing the consumer is not up to par. If anything, it would be great to see high school level courses teach safe computer use practises.

Windows Vista and 7 are quite protected from the ones that just 'slip through'. Mac's aren't, given their shoddy coding, but Linux distros are typically well off.
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I had two pcs. A single core pc and a core2quad. Neither were hindered by my AV at all and they were both quite old and did not have a near fresh install. In fact, prob over 3 years from fresh, on xp. I used to run em without AV. They run just as fast with AV. Also, you could have been using 2500k as generic reference, but I have one in my sig rig ^^ no ssd, though im interested in one.
Look at what I wrote to the guy above. I honestly dont believe it hinders your pc at all. Didnt hinder an old pentium or c2q.....
Sorry if I offended you.

Antivirus guards will block up any single core machine. I have a older machine with a Athlon 64 3800+ (OC 2.6Ghz), 3GB DDR-440, and a 160GB Seagate Barracuda. And regardless of Antivirus of choice, it just dogs the machine down big time. Its not the engine existing on the machine that is the problem, its the engine existing on the machine during trivial use. If you setup a relapse camera to record your daily activities on your machine you probably would be quite amazed. All the time spent waiting for applications to load because the machines resources are reverted to scanning the applications files, mean while the program's delayed execution until the scanner finishes. Not only that but while your doing your tasks whatever they may be, you got these other tasks picking at your system making sure everything is legit about 100 times every minute. Antivirus engines even monitor user activity. You will notice most track explorer and monitor what the user is doing in real-time. You could download a virus with your Antivirus off, turn it back on and it would take a few minutes for it to detect it during its continuous cycle. But if you navigate to your downloads folder it gets detected immediately, coincidence? I'm sure it takes lots of time for you to notice any differences, I spent about a year running Avast 4 on that single core machine back when I was a nubby to the whole computer world. But now 6+ years later I still refuse to run any Antivirus engine on my machine, simply because I have spent over a year witnessing what they do to your machines performance. There is no way I would ever install a Antivirus engine on my machine again. Unless I had a nice new machine that just laughs at any task its given. Antivirus engines haven't got any more demanding then they were over 5 years ago. So if you have a new machine then sure letting one fly is great and all. But even tho you don't see it with your eyes, it still impacts the machines overall performance. This is why most if not all come with a "Gaming Mode" for shutting down any active scanners and notifications. Simply because you will lose 5-10 FPS ingame easily if your Antivirus engine is attacking your hard drive for signatures.
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Antivirus guards will block up any single core machine. I have a older machine with a Athlon 64 3800+ (OC 2.6Ghz), 3GB DDR-440, and a 160GB Seagate Barracuda. And regardless of Antivirus of choice, it just dogs the machine down big time. Its not the engine existing on the machine that is the problem, its the engine existing on the machine during trivial use. If you setup a relapse camera to record your daily activities on your machine you probably would be quite amazed. All the time spent waiting for applications to load because the machines resources are reverted to scanning the applications files, mean while the program's delayed execution until the scanner finishes. Not only that but while your doing your tasks whatever they may be, you got these other tasks picking at your system making sure everything is legit about 100 times every minute. Antivirus engines even monitor user activity. You will notice most track explorer and monitor what the user is doing in real-time. You could download a virus with your Antivirus off, turn it back on and it would take a few minutes for it to detect it during its continuous cycle. But if you navigate to your downloads folder it gets detected immediately, coincidence? I'm sure it takes lots of time for you to notice any differences, I spent about a year running Avast 4 on that single core machine back when I was a nubby to the whole computer world. But now 6+ years later I still refuse to run any Antivirus engine on my machine, simply because I have spent over a year witnessing what they do to your machines performance. There is no way I would ever install a Antivirus engine on my machine again. Unless I had a nice new machine that just laughs at any task its given. Antivirus engines haven't got any more demanding then they were over 5 years ago. So if you have a new machine then sure letting one fly is great and all. But even tho you don't see it with your eyes, it still impacts the machines overall performance. This is why most if not all come with a "Gaming Mode" for shutting down any active scanners and notifications. Simply because you will lose 5-10 FPS ingame easily if your Antivirus engine is attacking your hard drive for signatures.

Well, I'd rather be safe than sorry. There are some people out there, but most are past single cores. A lot of quad and dual cores. Even my phone has a dual core! But my sig rig ( pc I use almost exclusively everyday) is what you said. Laughs at all tasks. Somehow runs better than a silly hp with an i7 920
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It's all fine and dandy for people to prefer AV but not alright to hurl insults at the people who have success without running them. Pretty mighty opinions from people who have to rely on extra software to babysit your activities to catch the malignant code you already let past you. I'm thinking maybe you AV proponents assume we AV opponents know as little about our systems as you guys do. Such is not necessarily the case. I keep an eye on all active connections, know the function of all running processes and know where each byte of traffic is coming from and going to. I keep up to date on major exploits and patch when the update is available. Awareness is my AV, and it must be working pretty damn well because I haven't needed an emergency reformat in longer than I can even remember. For my money, that's worth a lot more than having some extra garbage running in the background to tell me what I would already know.
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