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Learn what drive-by infections are. You can't keep an eye on your connections 24/7....
the 'high and mighty' actually understand how malware works and realise that you cannot keep out everything via self monitoring. It's near impossible.

Its impossible to catch something when your machine is doing absolutely nothing (this is what your getting at). Infections are induced by the end user, your machine wont do anything unless you tell it to. Infections aren't about destroying machines anymore like they were several years ago, tho lots of the old ones still exist (Parite). Black hats are more into compromising personal information now more then anything. Antivirus engines are there to act as a safety net, for when the end user fails to identify suspicious software and hooks themselves. But again, antivirus guards wont detect millions of real world infections that are downloaded daily. Making something completely FUD is as easy as stripping the bad signature from it.
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ESET Smart Security 5 works like a charm in all possible ways. Used 4 before. Definitely the only way to go for me smile.gif)
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ESET Smart Security 5 works like a charm in all possible ways. Used 4 before. Definitely the only way to go for me smile.gif)

isnt eset the same company that make nod 32?last i check they were one of the very limited few that supported apple!
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I forgot to say this in my earlier post; what happens when you use somebody's flash drive that has one of those stupid autorun viruses on it? You'd only notice after it's too late.
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Why don't people understand this? mad.gif
It's not about what your AV detects. It's about what your AV doesn't detect.

So if your computer is working fine, and your accounts aren't be compromised...what then? Clearly I have some super l33t 007 virus that I can't detect and is sooo super stealthy it...isn't doing anything?

I'm just trying to be realistic/pragmatic or "theory vs practice" here. Just because I can hypothetically get a virus, doesn't mean I will.

And what about virus failure rate? Look at how software you actually want often doesn't work. I can only imagine an underground, non-corporate backed, obscure virus coded for Windows being a buggy, pathetic mess.

But I only browser like 5 sites regularly, and I only download from walled garden content providers like Steam or Amazon. I use Chrome with adblock plus and Web of Trust. I also don't use other people's flash drives, and I often format my own.
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Consumer Anti-virus only sells you the illusion you are being secured. What's important is that they protect you when it counts which has failed time and time again. Yet the paranoid and uninformed consumer will always buy into their own insecurities and purchase anti-virus and security suites year after year.

I have reformatted tons of computers year after year that have all windows updates and virus signatures up to date yet their computer still gets infected.

Stop buy their crap and maybe anti-virus companies will start making something worthwhile. As long as anti-virus companies have you nuts out there that believe they will protect you they will keep pumping out bloatware year after year with flashy marketing that say "COMPLETE PROTECTION", "ALL IN ONE SOLUTION" that do nothing. Because in the end they're just words and words don't mean crap if they can't provide the protection to back it up.
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Well, seeing as the human population grows exponentially... So does stupidity. Philosophy proves OP's statement indirectly valid.
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Philosophy proves OP's statement indirectly valid.

Woah. Woah, WOAH!

I don't think you realize what you just did there, so i'm gonna tell you.

You just accused philosophy, and thereby philosophers, of having come to a conclusion on something.

Do you realize what the implications of that are? this is no laughing matter! Plato would be bemused!
 
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Sure as you say rolleyes.gif
And qouting only one type of the malware infections i pointed doesent make you clever or something,

You cited one malware, not me. It was just an easy example.
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and tell me, how will average joe user protect him self from worms and the infections i pointed in my posts without antivirus?
Watch your step. I've been saying this the whole time. Know what you are about to click/double-click.
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oh wait windows privileges will help him right? biggrin.gif now go back to learning.

"Run" "Save" "Exit" - one example of privileges.

So, before you hit "run" or "save" ask yourself if FreeVideoDownloader2012.exe (2,7658KBs) is actually what you expect.


Windows does virtually nothing until you command it to. At this point, getting a virus is a very simple PEBKAC issue.

It's the same thing when you get a virus, you must re-install Windows. You claim malicious software can go undetected, and in an incognito fashion install itself on your computer. Okay, then you must know your anti-virus has patched up all exploits the software has created and any call-home functions it has left behind. Right? If you know so much of the virus you just contracted, then how did you get it in the first place? The "You just don't know" argument would greatly apply to even running AV in the first place.
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