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4/11/12 at 9:19am
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If you want total security(for your ID at least), do not put your CC# or SSN# into IE for whatever purpose. Sandbox or use a non persistent VM.

Key loggers beat sandboxing in protecting CC and SSN. wink.gif
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4/11/12 at 9:25am
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Key loggers beat sandboxing in protecting CC and SSN. wink.gif

Just use an on screen keyboard to beat them for those purposes, beats the most common kind. Although, likely not going to be safe anymore with everything moving to the touch screen generation, they'll evolve to read them as well.
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4/11/12 at 9:43am
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Just use an on screen keyboard to beat them for those purposes, beats the most common kind. Although, likely not going to be safe anymore with everything moving to the touch screen generation, they'll evolve to read them as well.

Well... the point comes back to the fundamentals of security. You have to keep making harder

* Nothing is ever completely secure as long as someone/something (even if only one authorized user) can access.

* There is a trade-off become security vs usability. Who wants to memorize a daily randomized 256 char passwords for each log in?

* Locks/security is not meant to stop intrusion. Locks/security only increase cost/time/effort to defer intrusion. Therefore, more effective layers of security is often better. (This is why you run AV.... zero/low cost to run but provides some benefit.)

* The types of system security are:
1) by obscurity - make it harder to get data
2) by correctness - identify how code should always work and make it operate as expected
3) by isolation - prevent one breach access to other components
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4/11/12 at 10:48am
I say biometrics really needs to become mainstream, password logging would be a thing of the past.

Fingerprint plus voiceprint (or face recognition) is better than most any password if implemented well.
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4/11/12 at 11:11am
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Just use an on screen keyboard to beat them for those purposes, beats the most common kind. Although, likely not going to be safe anymore with everything moving to the touch screen generation, they'll evolve to read them as well.

Would still be susceptible to form grabbers. tongue.gif
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4/11/12 at 12:41pm
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Just use an on screen keyboard to beat them for those purposes, beats the most common kind. Although, likely not going to be safe anymore with everything moving to the touch screen generation, they'll evolve to read them as well.

Almost every keylogger I know of doesn't rely on pressing actual keys or keystrokes, but just logs every character inputted.
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4/11/12 at 12:48pm
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Almost every keylogger I know of doesn't rely on pressing actual keys or keystrokes, but just logs every character inputted.

The old fashion way was just hooking the keyboard and log what keys were pressed. Now days they do the same thing except the keylogger has evolved into an advanced piece of software. It still hooks your keyboard and monitors what keys are pressed, but it now also monitors the clipboard to make sure your not just copy + pasting important information. And they also take screenshot of your entire desktop routinely to capture any important information you may have entered into a form or such. There is several more functions to them now days, but them are the basics of what you could expect one to do.
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4/11/12 at 1:03pm
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I say biometrics really needs to become mainstream, password logging would be a thing of the past.
Fingerprint plus voiceprint (or face recognition) is better than most any password if implemented well.

Biometrics is actually not that good. Biometrics is based analogue data... the values are not exact. Therefore, it becomes an issue of accuracy vs usability.
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4/11/12 at 2:03pm
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Just use an on screen keyboard to beat them for those purposes, beats the most common kind. Although, likely not going to be safe anymore with everything moving to the touch screen generation, they'll evolve to read them as well.

RoboForm, or something similar, is awesome for securing and easily entering passwords. I have a long, random password for each and every website I log into. Even if the credentials for one site somehow gets stolen from the server or however, all the others are wildly different. It comes with a random password generator, so setting up new accounts is a snap.

It also can securely store and reenter any number of other information.

Not only is it more secure, but it's also a breeze to log into website. Two clicks if you aren't on the site already - one click if you are.

I was apprehensive about using it at first. But, now that I've been using it a while, there's no way I could go without it.
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lolz, you are really willing to go through all that hassles just to avoid using AV huh,
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