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lolz, you are really willing to go through all that hassles just to avoid using AV huh,

You seem to be under the impression that an AV is a 100% guarantee. If so, you are sadly mistaken.
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Biometrics can be made to be much more accurate than what the end user can get, its just cost prohibitive.
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Biometrics can be made to be much more accurate than what the end user can get, its just cost prohibitive.

What do you mean "what the end user can get"?

Biometrics weaknesses:
1) Issue of accuracy vs usability
2) The key is not changeable
3) The key is spoofable
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What the average Joe can obtain. Though anything is spoofable, it is possible to make biometrics secure at the hardware level.

In a good system the scanner itself is a full computing device with biometric keys in its own memory, it simply tells the computer that the ID is verified via heavily encrypted key phrase (4096 bit key or more). The biometric data is never accessible from the computer system so it cant be spoofed directly.

Ive actually looked into designing computing appliances specifically for this. VIA Epia boards are wonderful things, complete with accelerated cyrpto.

And because your sig bugs me, you can use a fridge to cool your pc.
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Sorry I am in a strange mood today so bear with me.

Dumpster diving! Snorkle.gif
Never out fashioned. Sadly it is unlikely that someone throws "bio-metric" things away. tongue.gif

Hmm and this looks sig worthy:
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I got bored after reading 7 pages of this before I decided to throw in my input.

Simple. No anti-virus. Rely on common sense. When common sense fails. Learn from your mistakes. Keep a good back-up of important stuff on home server. Pull out Windows DVD or decide its time to build another rig! tongue.gif
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What the average Joe can obtain. Though anything is spoofable, it is possible to make biometrics secure at the hardware level.
In a good system the scanner itself is a full computing device with biometric keys in its own memory, it simply tells the computer that the ID is verified via heavily encrypted key phrase (4096 bit key or more). The biometric data is never accessible from the computer system so it cant be spoofed directly.
Ive actually looked into designing computing appliances specifically for this. VIA Epia boards are wonderful things, complete with accelerated cyrpto.
And because your sig bugs me, you can use a fridge to cool your pc.

Again, none of that addresses the inherent weaknesses of biometric remains. Ask anyone in security.

1) Issue of accuracy vs usability - How close is close enough? If you're retaining water and your face puffy, should facial recognition still work? What if you're older and your fingerprints are not detailed enough? Etc.

2) The key is not changeable - Securing the system does not secure the key. People can take prints or record you. Once someone has the key (your biological information).. they can make infinite copies forever.

3) The key is spoofable - Unless something is verifying that they are not cheating, how would a system know the key is genuine? How can a facial recognition program know it is or is not a mask? (There are ways but complexity increases leading to higher costs and further possible weaknesses).

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I got bored after reading 7 pages of this before I decided to throw in my input.
Simple. No anti-virus. Rely on common sense. When common sense fails. Learn from your mistakes. Keep a good back-up of important stuff on home server. Pull out Windows DVD or decide its time to build another rig! tongue.gif
...go back and read.

None of that saves you once you have comprised your personal information.
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Didn't Mythbusters beat a fingerprint scanner?

I'm sure there's ways to beat eye's and any other biometric scans we could come up with...
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Didn't Mythbusters beat a fingerprint scanner?
I'm sure there's ways to beat eye's and any other biometric scans we could come up with...

prints are easy, you just need to lift them from the target. Glass and tape work well, there are other methods too. Once you lift the print, your pretty much good. it's why prints aren't really a secure biometric, as lifting them takes a flat smooth surface (not even that, but that lifts real clean and easy).
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prints are easy, you just need to lift them from the target. Glass and tape work well, there are other methods too. Once you lift the print, your pretty much good. it's why prints aren't really a secure biometric, as lifting them takes a flat smooth surface (not even that, but that lifts real clean and easy).

No biometrics are truly secure... this is why many are paired with some other method of identification.
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