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Affordable means... suitable for the average user (loser) who web surfs, types documents, uses excel, crap like that. So a Celly/P4/low-end PD or 3200+ is suitable. However, to "enthusiasts", those chips are becoming the new low-end. Although they aren't total crap, they are rapidly losing ground on the performance front.

BTW, do they have a "not equal to" sign in MS anywhere that we could use?

Well, most of my stuff is/was affordable when I got it and it (was) definately not low end back then (not even now). Very good stuff can be had with limited funds.
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Affordable means... suitable for the average user (loser) who web surfs, types documents, uses excel, crap like that. So a Celly/P4/low-end PD or 3200+ is suitable. However, to "enthusiasts", those chips are becoming the new low-end. Although they aren't total crap, they are rapidly losing ground on the performance front.

BTW, do they have a "not equal to" sign in MS anywhere that we could use?

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Well, most of my stuff is/was affordable when I got it and it (was) definately not low end back then (not even now). Very good stuff can be had with limited funds.
I agree with you for the most part. My system was fairly affordable only coming out to $850 in the end and I wouldn't consider it low-end in any respect because there are easily many many more worse systems than better systems compared to ours. However, both of our systems are becoming more mid-range, with your of course higher than mine since you have dual-core
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What??? AMD has not had 6 "mini" cores. ever. Where are you getting this?

AMD's X2 whooped Pentium-D's...

Man, am I the only one seriously over 20 years old here? (Not stating maturity reference, but age/experience reference).

Years ago when the amd's were seriously starting to come out, even the EARLY athlon xp's (pre 64 bit series). They originally were built with 6 core's, literally. HOWEVER they were all tied in as a single core, hence the extra "heat" temp's, and lower clock's but similar power to the p4's and celerons AT THE TIME that were equal power to the Athlon 2400+ (2.4 p4) similar power approx's.

That's in reference to old age information, and it probably doesn't exist or is hard to find online. (I doubt i'll find something 4-5 years back on the web that has this information).

However that's what i'm referiing to, and in all technicality, the x2 is a 12core processor even though it's 2 "primary ones", the original design consisted of 6 mini's in it. And if the 4x4 (I presume 16), is technically 96 micro core's worth, in a sense, heat temp's overall will be harder to control in the LONG run, however decently well developed none the less.

I hope that helps, why I've mentioned the micro core reference prior to the actual "dual core" releases.

And especially the fact that INTEL decently ran well with SINGLE CORES vs the micro core reference, (btw, not an urban legend). Intel will in the long run, either A. take over amd, OR, just "let" amd live, just to keep up a FORM of competiion....hehe (fyi, reference to 20-30 years ahead of us..... not the 3-5 year future).

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I'm sure AMD has something up there sleeves...(gulp*)
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Most definately true, might even get them ahead for a short time. However, i'm guessing in the long run, they're definately going to have to seriously do well.

When AMD bought out ATI, either A. They were desperate to have another "cash flow" of a prominent video card provider, or B. They just thought it was something they can do, and did so, trying to make their company bigger, etc. (So it can last longer, etc).

And besides, if intel "takes out" amd from the processor market, they technically could ALSO Take out ATI at the same time, which is a win/loss comparison, because they have ati and nvidia rig's via dell, and similar, so that would possibly stall ATI, and also be a problem.

I think intel is like microsoft, taking over everything BUT leaving "some room" for competition, because they can afford it, AND because they want a bit of a challenge.

But that's my thoughts for the future, not the present day, but the overal 20-30 year future ish.

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AMD isnt flooding Dell with old processor lines
Yeah, the X2s which were some of the most expensive dual cores on the market, then C2D comes out and the prices are slashed in half and those who paid $300, could've have got theirs for $150 actually, so AMD was over pricing their product.
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Yeah, the X2s which were some of the most expensive dual cores on the market, then C2D comes out and the prices are slashed in half and those who paid $300, could've have got theirs for $150 actually, so AMD was over pricing their product.
Everyone is overpricing their product. Intel slashed prices as well, remember that. They were overpricing. they are even overpricing for the C2D. I bet on the X6800 they are making $900.

Anyways, Le_Loup, would you like to cite and sources on that?

I call BS in any case. AMD was the first to have a Native Dual Core chip, and will likely be the first with a Native quad core chip.
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Everyone is overpricing their product. Intel slashed prices as well, remember that. They were overpricing. they are even overpricing for the C2D. I bet on the X6800 they are making $900.

Anyways, Le_Loup, would you like to cite and sources on that?

I call BS in any case. AMD was the first to have a Native Dual Core chip, and will likely be the first with a Native quad core chip.
Lol. Do you see how petty what you are arguing over? "AMD was the first with 64bit!" "AMD was the first with native dual core." "AMD chips are faster then Core 2 Duo when you soak them in water!"
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Lol. Do you see how petty what you are arguing over? "AMD was the first with 64bit!" "AMD was the first with native dual core." "AMD chips are faster then Core 2 Duo when you soak them in water!"
Im not even talking about that. Im simply saying I dont beleive him that AMD's are a bunch of "little cores". your trying to start a petty argument on the other hand.
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