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post #91 of 110
57W huh? Still not going to cancel out the power hungry 8800GTX's and the R600's. Nice try Intel, though. Just wish Nvidia and ATI would follow the way of the Intel and actually make an effort to lower their power needs. As far as I can tell, this 45nm architecture will probably take control over servers because spending energy wisely is a big thing for corporations and small businesses.
    
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I'm not argueing at all, i'm just stating fact, unfortunately however I can't backup what no one learned about year's ago. I meant no disrespect to the knowledge and belief's and 99% fact that people understand, however in the long run, the amd processor was a 6 microcore processor to act as a single entity. Technically they had the first I believe the term is sixtuplet, or something core processor even though it acted as a single core. (hence heat issues as well).

I meant no disrespect to anyone who don't perceive what I understand as fact. A "petty" arguement I didn't want to start or continue, I felt that I was partaking in an intelectually stimulating conversation with various perceptions and concepts discussing the same topic overall.

It's true that the AMD made the first DUAL CORE processor, as I understand it, however INTEL made the first quad. (as I recall, correct me though if i've missed a release date timing, the q6700 is out, but I don't recall an amd quad that's out as of yet).

The reason I extrapolate that the 4x4 could be a 96 core processor, is from previous stat's, however, by now they've rebuilt architechture (however it's spelled) to a point that the original 6 micro processor's to stand as a single processor is old tech spec's, and isn't the real deal anymore, or far from it. IF they did stick with it, we'd be looking at a miss print on their release specifications. So in a sense, amd might be able to claim that they are the first to release a 96 micro core processor, and with that, intel might beat it with their own octo core's they'll release in a few years as I understand it.

But this is my perceptions and knowledge, I can't lay down pure fact with references, because I have none to locate unfortunately.

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[QUOTE=Le_Loup;1468669]I'm not argueing at all, i'm just stating fact, unfortunately however I can't backup what no one learned about year's ago. I meant no disrespect to the knowledge and belief's and 99% fact that people understand, however in the long run, the amd processor was a 6 microcore processor to act as a single entity. Technically they had the first I believe the term is sixtuplet, or something core processor even though it acted as a single core. (hence heat issues as well).

I meant no disrespect to anyone who don't perceive what I understand as fact. A "petty" arguement I didn't want to start or continue, I felt that I was partaking in an intelectually stimulating conversation with various perceptions and concepts discussing the same topic overall.

It's true that the AMD made the first DUAL CORE processor, as I understand it, however INTEL made the first quad. (as I recall, correct me though if i've missed a release date timing, the q6700 is out, but I don't recall an amd quad that's out as of yet)./QUOTE]

Intel has had multi core out before AMD both times, but they arnt built around the multi core (except Core Duo). (AMD had the first NAtive dual core, Intel had the first dual core)

In any case, if it did have 6 "mini cores" then it ended with the AThlon64, since it ran more efficiently and cooler than the Pentium-4.
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Originally Posted by Le_Loup View Post
I'm not argueing at all, i'm just stating fact, unfortunately however I can't backup what no one learned about year's ago. I meant no disrespect to the knowledge and belief's and 99% fact that people understand, however in the long run, the amd processor was a 6 microcore processor to act as a single entity. Technically they had the first I believe the term is sixtuplet, or something core processor even though it acted as a single core. (hence heat issues as well).

I meant no disrespect to anyone who don't perceive what I understand as fact. A "petty" arguement I didn't want to start or continue, I felt that I was partaking in an intelectually stimulating conversation with various perceptions and concepts discussing the same topic overall.

It's true that the AMD made the first DUAL CORE processor, as I understand it, however INTEL made the first quad. (as I recall, correct me though if i've missed a release date timing, the q6700 is out, but I don't recall an amd quad that's out as of yet).

The reason I extrapolate that the 4x4 could be a 96 core processor, is from previous stat's, however, by now they've rebuilt architechture (however it's spelled) to a point that the original 6 micro processor's to stand as a single processor is old tech spec's, and isn't the real deal anymore, or far from it. IF they did stick with it, we'd be looking at a miss print on their release specifications. So in a sense, amd might be able to claim that they are the first to release a 96 micro core processor, and with that, intel might beat it with their own octo core's they'll release in a few years as I understand it.

But this is my perceptions and knowledge, I can't lay down pure fact with references, because I have none to locate unfortunately.

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is this for the socket 775?

but still this is insane.
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post #96 of 110
It should be... intel likes there 775 socket.

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Well I'm an enthusiast and care for my money. Darned, I never fit in .
yeah, but you are not the kind who sells his kidney to get a CPU.
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is this for the socket 775?

but still this is insane.
Yep. Intel plans on keeping the LGA 775 socket until at least 2008.
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AMD on the other hand, has atleast three more socket revisions planned between now and then. That's one of the reasons that I've been Intel loyal, even through the years of Athlon dominance, I liked Intel's preceived 'stability,' they seemed to stick with sockets for longer (LGA775 anyways) and I liked that I could get a chipset from the same people who made my CPU, rather than from a third party (back when I was new to this whole game ).

Any way you slice this, 3.5GHz with the efficiency of Core 2 is astonishgly fast for a stock processor, I just hope Intel starts figuring out ways to improve their CPU>North Bridge interconnect, FSB has many limitations once you get past dual cores, they either need to seriously ramp up its speed and lower the latency or should start looking at implementing a Hyper-Transport-esque design, that's how I see it anyways.

EDIT: also, the comment about hoping AMD/ATI/Nvidia would start following Intel's leadership and start using much lower process sizes and bring efficiencies up and heat output/power consumption down etc.

You have to realize that Intel isn't called Chipzilla for nothing, they're simply massive compared to AMD/ATI, Intel spends millions and even billions of dollars in R&D and is thus able to move to a lower process size virtually every 2 years (90nm>65nm>45nm>32nm>25nm if memory serves) while AMD/ATI simply can't keep up with that kind of pace, AMD is finally bringing out their first 65nm designs (December 5th possibly) and I would be surprised if they could get a grip on 45nm within 3 years.

ATI and Nvidia are fabless companies meaning they have to rely on third party companies to actually manufacture their die wafers so its up to companies like TSMC to get cracking on lower process sizes, it's really not ATI or Nvidia's fault but these third party fabs also can't compete with Intel's massive R&D budget.
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I'm in full agreement with ReMonster
    
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post #100 of 110
first off..wow 45nm...

but didnt i hear sometime this year that 22nm was the limit of silicon?(because of electron jumping, etc) that means intel is in thoery just two core steppings away from the limit of siicon, which if i remember from the same story would be hit around 2011-2012, which i guess is about right if intel pushed out 45 in 2008.

but the real question is WHY? why do you need this much power?, if you have a decent mobo, vid card you'll be get 120+ FPS at maxed setting in current games and as of 1 jan 07 not a single game(software overall) has come out that REQURIED dual-core. to add to that in early 2007 quad-cores are coming out, but yet STILL NO SOFTWARE will even been out that required dual-cores. too put it bluntly...WHY? who seriously needs this much power to run video games??(go FOLDERS though!!!)

i think right now CPUs are WAY ahead of programmers in terms of power, its going to take software till 2008 to really catch up with the massive amount of cpu/GPU power that is appearing right now. i dont expect till 2008 we will see the first game that REQUIRES a dual-core or better CPU(i plan on having a quad-core by late 2007)


i guess the main point of this is that.......(outside of folders) we have an INSANE(!!) amount of CPU/GPU power at our fingertips right now, its bordering on physco given our present software we are running(games)...im pretty sure i saw some FEAR fps pushing 200....thats NUTS.like a year ago everyone was crying about obliivion, now its like...oh ya i push 80 fps no problem...wow what a differance a year makes. frankly right now video games rock, and they are only going to get twice as good(cpu-wise) in the next two year....which frankly i cant even imigane what that will be like!!


way too much power given the software we have a present, hopfully game devs can do some amazing stuff and catch up before 2010(when we have like 16 cores clocked at 5 ghz and 32 gig RAM, plus 10,000rpm 32 mb chace hard drives(1 TB).
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