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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
1. What's your grip style? Fingertip, Moving from larger mice to small I dont find my palm touching the mouse, and I now prefer it this way.

2. What's your sensitivity? 800 DPI, I also set my sens to try for 540 degree otation from one end of my mousepad to the other.

3. What's your maximum budget? 50

4. Do you want additional buttons? NO, All I need are scroll and L/R, Other buttons are fine, I probably wont use them.

5. What games do you play? TF2, CSS. I play story mode in most new games, but find it hard to enjoy being competitive int hem.

6. Do you mind about prediction? No, This used to be a big issue in my CS 1.6 days, but since moving on I find I can pwn with either.

7. Other relevant information:
Input anything else you want.

I like somewhat stiff cables: I bend the cable from in front of my CRT, towards the back of my desk and back to my mouse pad for give, light floppy cables get tossed around and don't function properly in this config.

Lighter the better, I only use my fingers for aiming, but my arm for swinging.

Here is an Image of my grip:

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Sorry about the hand, My fingers are delicious.

Ill be getting a new mouse pad too, So If you recommend a certain pad+Mouse for my mousing style let me know.

I have used cloth and solid surfaces like glass and plastic, even brushed aluminum, I would say out of all these, I prefer the control of cloth. But I am open to other suggestions If they may offer better precision.
Edited by Xinoxide - 4/7/12 at 9:29am
post #2 of 20
Can't help you with a mouse, but as far as mousepads, your answers tell me you want precision. I'd recommend a Steelseries QCK.

Available in different sizes. Easily the best I've used, very durable, quality non-slip rubber, and the cloth gives you amazing control.
http://steelseries.com/us/products/surfaces
post #3 of 20
http://steelseries.com/products/mice/steelseries-kinzu-v2-pro-edition

maybe this mouse?

with

http://steelseries.com/products/surfaces/steelseries-qck-heavy

with this pad.
Its actually a Qck (2mm thick) this heavy is i think 6mm thick nice comfort

I also changed from Salmosa to this one. Very solid mouse only thing it get time to get used to it.
,but thats with every different shape.

If you want different mouse and pad combo just ask i can help you to find the one you want
Edited by pruik6 - 4/7/12 at 5:23am
post #4 of 20
Could you explain what problems are you having with your Salmosa?

So at least we won't be recommending a mouse that has the same problems.

Then, if you may, could you really read the thread about new mouse suggestion? Because the key parts (sensitivity and grip stype) are wrong :
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Originally Posted by Xinoxide View Post

1. What's your grip style? Claw, Nothing EVER touches my mouse but my fingertips, all 5 of them.

That's fingertip grip, not claw. In claw grip the palm of the hand touches the back of the mouse.
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Originally Posted by Xinoxide View Post

2. What's your sensitivity? 800 DPI, sens in say TF2 and CSS is at 2.33, zoom_sens ratio of 0.66

Doesn't say much to me. You could be playing with 1/11 windows sens or 10/11, and we all would be assuming whatever our imagination wanted. As it was stated on the thread, give it on cm/360º or even on in/360º, there's far too many variables to take into account if you only post your in-game sensitivity.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xinoxide View Post

I like somewhat stiff cables: I bend the cable from in front of my CRT, towards the back of my desk and back to my mouse pad for give, light floppy cables get tossed around and don't function properly in this config.
Lighter the better, I only use my fingers for aiming, but my arm for swinging.
Here is an Image of my grip:
338
Sorry about the hand, My fingers are delicious.
Ill be getting a new mouse pad too, So If you recommend a certain pad+Mouse for my mousing style let me know.

If you really like stiff cables and you really use claw grip (which you are not), I would go for the CM Storm Spawn and a non-painted dark mousepad (you would need to give some input here too, as you didn't even state if you like soft or hard surfaced mats).

The more information you give, the more educated your answers will be.
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Okay, I will edit the OP to reflect changes, but I assumed claw because with this grip and larger mice my palm does touch.

I will change the game sense to degrees turned across my mouse pad.

Also, My Salmosa Sometimes just ceased to track for very short periods of time, maybe in the MS.

Its very random but It hapens connected to different computers on multiple surfaces. For the most part it does well for me, but this small quirk costs me alot of kills.
Edited by Xinoxide - 4/7/12 at 9:30am
post #6 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xinoxide View Post

Okay, I will edit the OP to reflect changes, but I assumed claw because with this grip and larger mice my palm does touch.
I will change the game sense to degrees turned across my mouse pad.
Also, My Salmosa Sometimes just ceased to track for very short periods of time, maybe in the MS.
Its very random but It hapens connected to different computers on multiple surfaces. For the most part it does well for me, but this small quirk costs me alot of kills.

How big is your mousemat? Because 540 degrees can be high sens if it's a small one, but can be low sensitivity if it's one of those that extends all over the desktop (90 cm or so).

The issue sounds a lot like your cable (or the connection between the cable and the PCB) is broken or is about to unplug itself - can be a cut inside the cable caused by normal operation, or that you once pulled it from the cable and it's doing that ever since. In any way, it's normal that most mice end up suffering from this after years.

If you like everything from the Salmosa, you might want to eye the natural substitute that Razer has : Abyssus. However, it used to have jitter on cloth mousemats, so if you're getting one, get it from a new retailer or one that sells lots of components, so you can be sure it's one of the latest batches. There's no way to know if a mouse is from the latest batches from the outside, it should only be felt when already in use (older batches jittered on cloth pads).
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
I have replaced the cable twice thinking the same thing.

Also my mousepad is an Original Supermat:

http://www.topmic.com/107-0631.html
post #8 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xinoxide View Post

I have replaced the cable twice thinking the same thing.
Also my mousepad is an Original Supermat:
http://www.topmic.com/107-0631.html

Ok, considering your sensitivity is on the domain of the 29-30cm/360º ~ 7.2in/360º, I doubt you exceed 3m/s swipes (I do exceed that only on tense situations and I'm on 60cm/360º), so small mice you can use and feel good with them to fit your grip style should be :

- Razer Abyssus :
---It's the natural substitute of the Salmosa, so it has more a less the same weight, more a less the same sensor, more a less the same overall feeling (but not exactly the same shape).
---Only if it's one of the latest batches
---It can have jitter on cloth mats like yours if it's the old batches, so it's a bit hit or miss. However if you're lucky it will be amazing wink.gif
---More a less the same shape and weight, but the CPI that you can choose on the Abyssus are a bit outlandish : 450, 1800 and 3500CPI.
---Couple it with a plastic mousepad for best results (and avoid jittering). If you like the control of a cloth pad, a similar experience (of sorts, it was similar to my Goliathus Speed) would be provided by the Steelseries 4HD/9HD (difference is size). An alternative I do really like is the Zowie Swift, which is no more than a piece of a bit rugged plastic with some rubber below, but works wonders and is consistent, however it has less control.
---Perfect Control Speed (PCS) of over 4m/s

- CM Storm Spawn :
---Pure claw shape
---Stiff mouse cord
---Great material quality overall
---5 buttons
---Mouse itself doesn't weight much, but cable adds more weight than on other mice.
---CPI steps are the "usual" 400 and 800 CPI coupled with 1600 and 4000.
---Best used on a dark mousemat (you could keep yours).
---Seemed to have some issues with Windows 7, no idea if they're fixed.
---Need to install drivers to set it up, can remove afterwards and settings should stick.
---With latest firmware, PCS of over 4m/s

- Zowie AM :
---Can be fingertipped/clawed/palmed (which comes to the price of not being as comfortable as other mice).
---Awesome mouse cord
---Lightweight
---Weird CPI steps (450,1150, 2300 CPI, which are higher in reality, closer to 480, 1200, 2340 CPI)
---Harder mouse switches than other mice
---5 buttons
---Best used on a dark mousepad
---Jitters more the higher the CPI (none on 450, very slight on 1150, slight on 2300)
---Driverless (that could be a big pro if you love this on the Salmosa)
---On the 450CPI step, the PCS is around 3.3-3.6m/s

If none of those might satisfy you, you can also check the SteelSeries Kana or wait for reviews on the Tt Saphira, amongst other mice that will be released soon with the 3090 sensor.

Btw, what did you mean that your fingers are delicious? rolleyes.gif

PS : Yay 200 posts! tongue.gif
post #9 of 20
Kinzu v2 Pro or CM Storm Spawn ( Both under $50, not many additional buttons, 800 dpi, good for fingertip, you don't mind prediction, etc etc)

Kinzu v2 Pro has a braided cable but Storm Spawn doesn't

Out of the 2 I'd say Kinzu v2 Pro cause Storm Spawn is more designed for claw
Edited by wongt4 - 4/7/12 at 8:32pm
post #10 of 20
I love that mouse! best mouse ever.biggrin.gif
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