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Not really sure where you go that idea. Obviously there is a sweet spot. I personally feel 1440P or 1600P is the sweet spot, on a 27" screen.
Pixel density is one of those things that is more of a perceived value. Kind of like ghz or megapixels. People will buy the processor with the most ghz or the camera with the most megapixels, not realizing that isn't everything.
It's also like going above X FPS. 30FPS, fine, 60, your eye can probably see the difference, but 1-200, just bragging rights. You can't see the difference.
1080P seems just fine for phones, maybe whatever apples deal is for the ipad3 is good for tablets.
But we've all already seen the stories and comparisons where folks couldn't tell the difference. Which means Apple could have gotten a lot more profit by using a different panel.
Nevermind though not in the mood for a flame war.

Sure you can't see a difference at anything 60fps+. But to me personally the game just feels smoother and there is less of a chance of it dipping below 60fps in large intense scenes if your fps is already soaring.
Edited by wardoc22 - 4/8/12 at 8:48am
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And I don't see anything wrong with a high res on a smaller screen.. Juts increase the icon size and DPI.
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I'm just saying from a business standpoint its not the best decision. Changes that people don't even notice that cost more = dumb
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How did we, the technical community, go from precision technical stylus back to clumsy fingers?

 

Its like going from ink cartridge pen to finger painting.

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How did we, the technical community, go from precision technical stylus back to clumsy fingers?

Its like going from ink cartridge pen to finger painting.

I like the analogy. People advanced tech so far it somehow has paradoxically reverted to what was standard long ago.
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How did we, the technical community, go from precision technical stylus back to clumsy fingers?

Its like going from ink cartridge pen to finger painting.

Because we finally developed capacitive touch-screen input capable of multi-touch and high-density touch sensors combined with much more-improved touch-interpreting algorithms that can function on hardware. Back when we had junky resistive touchscreens with poor precision, you had to rely on a stylus even for seemingly imprecise operations.

Using a stylus is a poor way to accomplish mundane tasks. For precise things--writing, art-editing, things like that--styluses are great. But when you will also need your hands to do other things, like type on the keyboard or hold the device, then a stylus-input fails miserably. Maybe for the person that interacts with their touch device with only one finger and one finger only, they won't notice much. But for people that take advantage of multi-touch, or use multiple fingers simultaneously to type and accomplish tasks, a stylus would be a hindrance.
    
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Trackpads are awful, and carrying a mouse defeats the purpose of a laptop. I think a touch screen function is the next logical step...
     
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How did we, the technical community, go from precision technical stylus back to clumsy fingers?

Its like going from ink cartridge pen to finger painting.

Because we finally developed capacitive touch-screen input capable of multi-touch and high-density touch sensors combined with much more-improved touch-interpreting algorithms that can function on hardware. Back when we had junky resistive touchscreens with poor precision, you had to rely on a stylus even for seemingly imprecise operations.

Using a stylus is a poor way to accomplish mundane tasks. For precise things--writing, art-editing, things like that--styluses are great. But when you will also need your hands to do other things, like type on the keyboard or hold the device, then a stylus-input fails miserably. Maybe for the person that interacts with their touch device with only one finger and one finger only, they won't notice much. But for people that take advantage of multi-touch, or use multiple fingers simultaneously to type and accomplish tasks, a stylus would be a hindrance.

 

So... you like to type.  Would you say a tool already exists which greatly destroys the efficiency and precision of a touch screen?  Hint:  You will reply using it.

 

If you don't like my original analogy how about, its like going from using a keyboard to finger painting.  There is no touch screen out there that is currently better than any tool already invented, and dare say been in use for over a decade.  We are going backwards.

 

Lets say, you just REALLY need to use your fingers, and have good portable all around functionality... is that not what we have tablets for?

Its just bandwagon crap, so is Windows 8, all trying to ride this "hands on" pun intended technology.  Its stupid, and its going to show in the end when people start asking themselves (if they ever do, sheeple) why am I not using a keyboard?  Plus Apple gets off on telling everyone they copy them, why fuel the fire?

 

How about we try something actually innovative instead of copying or trying to feed off the success bubble.  That bubble will be tapped to death and Apple is first in line.  Its just a matter of time anyways.


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So... you like to type.  Would you say a tool already exists which greatly destroys the efficiency and precision of a touch screen?  Hint:  You will reply using it.

If you don't like my original analogy how about, its like going from using a keyboard to finger painting.  There is no touch screen out there that is currently better than any tool already invented, and dare say been in use for over a decade.  We are going backwards.
It wasn't your analogy that I didn't like, it was the idea that a stylus is superior to finger touch-input. A stylus is an excellent task-oriented tool. It's a poor UI-tool for any of the traditional or popular UIs. Moreso now that touch-inputs have advanced so significantly.

Anyhoo, the issues with touch-inputs on standard/traditional devices is because our standard UIs are not designed around touch-interfaces. But this study is not saying that people want a touch-only-interface for their UI on laptops, it's seeing if people want a touch interface ALONG with their current UI. No one's doing away with the keyboard or mouse options so I don't understand why discussing their superiority even matters. I'm not a fan of touch-input on windows OS UIs, but having the option in addition doesn't make something inferior. But at the same time, I wouldn't want a device to cost more just because it offers a touch-screen when a touch-screen does not significantly improve user/OS functionality.
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Lets say, you just REALLY need to use your fingers, and have good portable all around functionality... is that not what we have tablets for?
See above--this is not forcing a touch-interface on a non-touch-oriented OSes. It's just giving users the option of a touchscreen. HP has been doing it for a long time already.
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Its just bandwagon crap, so is Windows 8, all trying to ride this "hands on" pun intended technology.  Its stupid, and its going to show in the end when people start asking themselves (if they ever do, sheeple) why am I not using a keyboard?  Plus Apple gets off on telling everyone they copy them, why fuel the fire?

How about we try something actually innovative instead of copying or trying to feed off the success bubble.  That bubble will be tapped to death and Apple is first in line.  Its just a matter of time anyways.

Don't get me wrong--I agree. I see no utility for touch-input in non-tablet or non-phone devices. But this is not removing our standard input tools, it's just adding another.
    
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So... you like to type.  Would you say a tool already exists which greatly destroys the efficiency and precision of a touch screen?  Hint:  You will reply using it.

If you don't like my original analogy how about, its like going from using a keyboard to finger painting.  There is no touch screen out there that is currently better than any tool already invented, and dare say been in use for over a decade.  We are going backwards.
It wasn't your analogy that I didn't like, it was the idea that a stylus is superior to finger touch-input. A stylus is an excellent task-oriented tool. It's a poor UI-tool for any of the traditional or popular UIs. Moreso now that touch-inputs have advanced so significantly.

Anyhoo, the issues with touch-inputs on standard/traditional devices is because our standard UIs are not designed around touch-interfaces. But this study is not saying that people want a touch-only-interface for their UI on laptops, it's seeing if people want a touch interface ALONG with their current UI. No one's doing away with the keyboard or mouse options so I don't understand why discussing their superiority even matters. I'm not a fan of touch-input on windows OS UIs, but having the option in addition doesn't make something inferior. But at the same time, I wouldn't want a device to cost more just because it offers a touch-screen when a touch-screen does not significantly improve user/OS functionality.
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Lets say, you just REALLY need to use your fingers, and have good portable all around functionality... is that not what we have tablets for?
See above--this is not forcing a touch-interface on a non-touch-oriented OSes. It's just giving users the option of a touchscreen. HP has been doing it for a long time already.
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Its just bandwagon crap, so is Windows 8, all trying to ride this "hands on" pun intended technology.  Its stupid, and its going to show in the end when people start asking themselves (if they ever do, sheeple) why am I not using a keyboard?  Plus Apple gets off on telling everyone they copy them, why fuel the fire?

How about we try something actually innovative instead of copying or trying to feed off the success bubble.  That bubble will be tapped to death and Apple is first in line.  Its just a matter of time anyways.

Don't get me wrong--I agree. I see no utility for touch-input in non-tablet or non-phone devices. But this is not removing our standard input tools, it's just adding another.


I see what your saying about having an option, and more options are always better.  But consider this, in the mania of what is touch-screen it has taken other options off the table.  For example look at Metro UI, designed for tablets, being forced on all (at this point and time (things do change)).  Just one of many examples that have me believe this entire industry is now 100% built around hype and marketability...   <-  That's what bugs me.  Bigger GBs and the Wifis, for example.  Thats there target audiences... I just miss being the target audience.

 

I agree touch screens have their place in terms of general performance and functionality, not to mention portable / lightweight, but there has to be a balance.  Its annoying to me (which may not be all) that everything and everyone has focused on the mobile market.  It would not hurt the market to have a few flops so that some resources and mind sets can re-focused back on hardware I use.

 

For instance with unveiling of Kepler, I firmly believe we can see sub-125 watt high-end GPUs.


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